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Ok this may sound like a silly question, but I am concerned about having to choose between embarrassing myself and my fiance and possibly having our visa denied.  We are a same sex couple with a considerable age gap (30 years). I am the older USC  and my fiance is younger Colombiano. We communicate almost entirely on Whatsapp. We text every day and video chat several times a week.

 

Despite week long meetings together in Panama, Dominican Republic and Mexico, I am concerned that age gap and same sex relationship will be red flags for the CO, so I want to print out our WhatsApp chats (without pictures) as proof of our ongoing and consistent relationship. My concern is that our chats are frequently pretty spicy and I don't want to embarass my fiance at his interview (I will accompany him to the interview in  month or so). So I have the choice, I can totally delete all the spicy chats, which will  obviously make our chats seem way less frequent. Or, I can redact (black out) the offending words and phrases leaving everything else which will keep our daily contact intact.

 

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Especially from those with a similar experience.


February 2, 2018    First meeting

May 15, 2018          Knew it was love

July, 10, 2018         Proposed

July 10, 2018          He said "YES"

July 27, 2018          Filed I-129F

August 3, 2018       1st NOA received

January 30, 2019   2nd NOA  received

March 4, 2019        NVC received

May 3, 2019            Interview completed (No decision yet May 5, 2019)

May 8, 2019            Visa Issued !

 

 

 

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You can edit them yes. The embassy has seen it all trust me, but you can make minor edits or black things out if needed. Or print them out and remove the pages containing that stuff.

 

Main thing they want to see if a time line of communication, not every page of every conversation you've ever had.


08/15/2014 : Met Online

06/30/2016 : I-129F Packet Sent

07/08/2016 : NOA 1 Received

08/25/2016 : NOA 2 Received (48 days)

11/08/2016 : Interview - APPROVED!

11/18/2016 : Visa in hand

11/23/2016 : POE - Dallas, Texas

From sending of I-129F petiton to POE - 146 days.

 

02/03/2017 - Married 

02/24/2017 - AOS packet sent

06/01/2017 - EAD/AP Combo Card Received in mail

12/06/2017 - I-485 Approved

12/14/2017 - Green Card Received in mail - No Interview

 

 

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31 minutes ago, bdglen said:

Ok this may sound like a silly question, but I am concerned about having to choose between embarrassing myself and my fiance and possibly having our visa denied.  We are a same sex couple with a considerable age gap (30 years). I am the older USC  and my fiance is younger Colombiano. We communicate almost entirely on Whatsapp. We text every day and video chat several times a week.

 

Despite week long meetings together in Panama, Dominican Republic and Mexico, I am concerned that age gap and same sex relationship will be red flags for the CO, so I want to print out our WhatsApp chats (without pictures) as proof of our ongoing and consistent relationship. My concern is that our chats are frequently pretty spicy and I don't want to embarass my fiance at his interview (I will accompany him to the interview in  month or so). So I have the choice, I can totally delete all the spicy chats, which will  obviously make our chats seem way less frequent. Or, I can redact (black out) the offending words and phrases leaving everything else which will keep our daily contact intact.

 

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Especially from those with a similar experience.

If you are relying on WhatsApp to prove the existence of your relationship then you have a problem.  I would concentrate on other evidence and forget about WhatsApp 


YMMV

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Is there an option that doesn't include blacking out lines of text or submitting spicy conversations? I also used WhatsApp as the primary medium for communication. We have maintained daily communication for about 2 years and accumulated around 120K messages. I submitted about 30 screenshots with the I-129F dating back about 9 months from the time of submission. The screenshots were both from her phone as well as mine. Each screenshot had (I think) up to 10 texts maximum, assuming they were single lines, of course most had less. The screenshots were of ordinary everyday conversations and discussions about world events, travel plans for upcoming trips, and typical affectionate stuff (though nothing graphic or inappropriate). I also screenshotted some call logs that dated from February 2019 back to December 2017, even though I could have gone back to March 2017. I got the feeling what USCIS was really looking for was evidence of a sustained ongoing relationship. Supporting continuity might be more important than the content of the messages. We do have a bit of an age gap too (I'm 26M USC and she is 31 F beneficiary) but I've heard that age gaps aren't weighted so heavily.

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My husband and I are in a similar situation.  With the petition, because the sheer volume of messages (WhatsApp, Messenger, email) was so huge, I selected a few representative messages from the very beginning of our relationship until the date of filing the petition, and selected "non-spicy" ones.  I also printed out the log of messages, emails, and video calls to show the frequency over time, just to show that we communicate constantly every day.  We will add some more at NVC stage and again at the interview in Rio to show that this has been ongoing (CR-1).  And I agree with others that the best evidence will be showing face-to-face visits, passport stamps, hotel receipts, boarding passes.  Since we are married we also have lots of evidence of co-mingling finances.  Good luck with your interview!!

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I am not going to include Whatsapp conversations or any chat logs. It's my understanding that with the initial filing they are looking to see if you have met in the past two years and have included the other required information (meeting the criteria for filing). It's at the interview that they are trying to determine if it is a real, ongoing relationship so bringing some chat logs to that would work in addition to evidence of more visits would be good.

 

Is this correct? I'm starting to second guess myself.

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Silly or not, I can relate!  I asked a similar question here on VJ.  I wouldn't call our chats "spicy" but I still don't want our lovey-dovey conversations to be shared with anyone else.

 

The advice I got was that chats are not required for the K1 petition (they are not proof of meeting in person) and that others were able to get their visa without ever needing to show any chats.  Focus on providing evidence of in-person meetings, like passport stamps, boarding passes, hotel receipts, pictures together (better if with friends and family).  Then for the interview, in case the consul officer asks, provide a small sampling of carefully selected chats over the course of the relationship.

 

Speaking of careful selection, make sure the chats (or pictures) you present do not give any impression that you are already married.  So, no chats where you call each other "my hubby" or "hello, husband".  And do not include any conversation about getting a green card!  This may seem obvious to many, but I've read posts here on VJ where some chat text made the CO doubt the beneficiary's eligibility for the visa.

 

Hope this helps and good luck on your visa journey!

 

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2 hours ago, MeghanK said:

Ah my favorite part of all the official K1 instructions:

 

Do not include:

  • Graphic photos of childbirth or intimate relations as evidence of a relationship or marital bona fides.

 

As long as your spicy isn't pornographic, you're good 😁

 

3 hours ago, Jenny17655 said:

yeah don't send those spicy texts.  Send video instead 😉. LOL no seriously with all of your face to face meeting evidence and the fact that you will accompany to the interview one or 2 pages of text from each month should be more than sufficient to show ongoing communication. They may not even look at the chat logs.  Good Luck!

You guys are joking but that has actually happened. I can think of 2 past members who admitted to sending explicit media of them engaged in sexual activity with their partner to prove their relationship is real.

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2 minutes ago, Unlockable said:

 

You guys are joking but that has actually happened. I can think of 2 past members who admitted to sending explicit media of them engaged in sexual activity with their partner to prove their relationship is real.

That "do not include..." statement there is directly from the USCIS website on "special instructions" for the I-129f. 😂😂


4/14/2018 - Mailed I-129f

10/16/2018 - NOA2

11/13/2018 - NVC received 

11/29/2018 - Consulate received

12/12/2018 - P3

1/10/2019 - P4
3/27/2019 - Interview

4/4/2019 - Visa received
6/9/2019 - U.S. Entry
6/13/2019 - Married 

 

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4 hours ago, bdglen said:

Ok this may sound like a silly question, but I am concerned about having to choose between embarrassing myself and my fiance and possibly having our visa denied.  We are a same sex couple with a considerable age gap (30 years). I am the older USC  and my fiance is younger Colombiano. We communicate almost entirely on Whatsapp. We text every day and video chat several times a week.

 

Despite week long meetings together in Panama, Dominican Republic and Mexico, I am concerned that age gap and same sex relationship will be red flags for the CO, so I want to print out our WhatsApp chats (without pictures) as proof of our ongoing and consistent relationship. My concern is that our chats are frequently pretty spicy and I don't want to embarass my fiance at his interview (I will accompany him to the interview in  month or so). So I have the choice, I can totally delete all the spicy chats, which will  obviously make our chats seem way less frequent. Or, I can redact (black out) the offending words and phrases leaving everything else which will keep our daily contact intact.

 

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Especially from those with a similar experience.

We are a same sex couple too. The Cultural requirement for children in many societies are one of the factors Consular Officers use to gauge validity of relationships. However, with us, that is out of the window. I know quote a few couples (from Egyptian, Iranian, Haiti, Dominical Republic etc). that have age differences more than yours. They got their K1 or CR1 no problem.

 

PS: is Columbia homophobic? If so, request the Embassy interview you two in a private room

 

Salty texts are also culture specific. My fiance at the time (no spouse) did not countenance such language nor did I, so we did not use those words or sent bad pictures to each other either. However, I did not sent all the chats..just sections (say two days of one week), so they get long. Also, use Word and use fine print and use both sides of the paper to print those out. 

 

Hope it helps and good luck.

 

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3 hours ago, MeghanK said:

Ah my favorite part of all the official K1 instructions:

 

Do not include:

  • Graphic photos of childbirth or intimate relations as evidence of a relationship or marital bona fides.

 

As long as your spicy isn't pornographic, you're good 😁

Ha ha. I cannot even imagine what they get on K1 and Marriage petitions. 

I wonder if they get erotically aroused too when they are reviewing. I would love to be a fly on the wall in that room...LOL

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