Immigration Suspension Executive Order - MEGA THREAD

[vinzer 76]

44 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

Except that this time, he's making it about immigration.  Border and embassy closures in March were not done in the context of immigration or 'American jobs'.  And let's face it, he is not in favor of even legal immigration.

Part of me thinks that Trump found a way to hit multiple birds with one stone and ran away with it. With a presumptive EO that covers a suspension of all immigration processing into the US, he:

 

1. panders greatly to his right-wing demographic, ensuring their support in November

2. makes it look like he's doing something to address COVID-19 (another bullet point he can use in the upcoming elections)

3. like you mentioned, found a way to justify a ban on legal immigration (well, "suspension", but the time frame can easily be extended and justified by saying the US haven't met so-and-so economic metric, etc.)

 

I'm sorry for all spousal visa applications affected by this upcoming order. In my own case, mine's for a family-based visa, and while I would love for it to go through (just waiting on an interview schedule when COVID-19 hit), I can manage with it being suspended, and actually makes me think about other options moving forward if the US government has that much dislike for immigrants, even legal ones.

 

Hopefully it ends up being a non-starter, or at least something more fair to people who already are in the middle of the process, but ever since this pandemic hit, I have learned to keep my optimism down to the barest minimum. 😂

[Rob Beri 68]

1 hour ago, laylalex said:

Well, I have been trying not to get political here but if you're potentially affected by this and you think voting for Trump is a good idea in November, it's like being a turkey voting for Thanksgiving.

Exactly.

 

This is absurde. What this overripe orange in office has done is utilize the pandemic and use it as a political instrument.

 

It is the same overripe orange that called for a physical wall in the 21st century.

 

Now the overripe orange wants to  suspend all immigration in order to protect jobs. Key words: all and jobs. Meaning he will suspend immigration for as long as he can. Once this order will go in effect, it is easy for the overripe orange to say the unemployment rate is too high to reconsider reversing the executive order. 

 

Also -- the supreme court is in the overripe orange's side. Last time they voted in his favor by a vote. Likely, same will happen here too.

 

Frustrating. 

Edited April 21, 2020 by Rob Beri

[millefleur 5,039]

1 minute ago, designguy said:

Its kind of a gray area. For example the UK embassy classifies them as immigrant

https://uk.usembassy.gov/visas/immigrant-visas/

K-1's are a grey area because they are "dual intent" non-immigrant visas, which means it's legal to enter the US on them with the intent to adjust status and immigrate, if one so desires. 

 

https://citizenpath.com/dual-intent-visas/

 

[TBoneTX 43,545]

Folks, this infernal immigration system is traumatic at the best of times.

Working oneself into a frenzy over something that hasn't happened yet is counterproductive.

 

Just like the current lockdowns, any policy enacted now won't last forever.

The country -- and the world -- is in chaos.  Even if you could enter, your country might not let you out.

The greatest economic boom in U.S. history was reversed in just a couple of months.

The President's goal (as a lifelong businessman) is reopening and recovery.

Hard though it is, be patient.

One boon might be that USCIS finally catches up on AOS & ROC petitions that have languished for months.

 

[ChristianZane 70]

2 minutes ago, Faisal1 said:

I dont think that he will ban family immigration otherwise it ill be a thug of war in court because it violates constitution.. and any executive order  That violate constitution can be changed n courts are there define any order.  I highly doubt that

I hope you're right!

[randomstairs 273]

7 minutes ago, Ninahi said:

Ah yes, I went onto Google what happens to your status if the card expires. Still a little blurry what it means for people with conditional residence permits (ie myself). Hopefully nothing beyond delays. 

Hopefully it'll be just a delay. GC is just a document, not a status. Not sure what happens when the conditional residency expires though. I think we're all waiting for some clarifications of the EO. Seems a bit extreme even by Trump's standards.  

[fs2439 46]

Lockdowns could last longer than we think

[Faisal1 235]

2 minutes ago, mandsophia said:

I hope you're right. He mentioned employment, so maybe its all work visas and work visa to greencard applications. 

Like i said if he ban family based immigration it will a battle in court like last time his ban .. and then court  had to explain and after  amendment in same order so i dont think. But lets see what he do 

[jaysaldi 209]

13 minutes ago, Decourty said:

Wow, I was visiting my american fiance when the lock down happened, was supposed to fly back to France late march , get my interview and then move here on a K1. When the lock down happened and my interview was postponed to June, we decided I would stay here as my return flight was cancelled, my current tourist visa expires may 13th and this throws massive doubt on our case. Do we risk getting unable to see each other for a long time if I fly back? Do we have any alternatives? I mean I'm currently in the US, it's confusing

Well, prior to this executive order being signed, you'd have the alternative of marrying in the USA and filing to adjust status. But who knows if that's allowed under the pending order.

[jaysaldi 209]

11 minutes ago, geowrian said:

I would bet that it will impact more than just work visas.

I'm not saying it necessarily won't...but a $100 bet for a $10k payout is a no-brainer. There's not nearly enough information to be so confident in anything so specific.

The guy hates family based "chain" immigration, we know that.

[randomstairs 273]

2 minutes ago, ChristianZane said:

I hope you're right!

How does it violate the constitution? 

Assuming it does, they can always claim national emergency. Otherwise they'd be violating the constitution with every stay-at-home order or prevention of assembly.  

[travisgarretson11 20]

9 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

 

The greatest economic boom in U.S. history was reversed in just a couple of months.

 

 

economic boom??

 

we havent had a boom since the 50' - 70's...

 

the economy has been in freefall after 2008 and it is worse even now. 

 

the reason the fake stock market has been going up is because of t FED injected trillions into the market thus creating an "illusion" that the economy is good. when in reality this economy has been freefalling in a deep hole for decades...

 

in 2008 they delayed the inevitable collapse, we NEVER recovered from it... they only applied a temporary band aid on it. and now the collapse is finally happening. it will be worse than 1929 and 2008 combined. 

Edited April 21, 2020 by travisgarretson11

[ChristianZane 70]

1 minute ago, travisgarretson11 said:

 every president has been a puppet and they are given a script to follow.. trump is the same, and so was obama

 

If I remember, Obama granted about 800k people with unlawful residency in the US a 2 year period of deferred action from deportation and eligibility for a work permit in the U.S, that's not much of a script to follow and perhaps another Prez in November will have similar insight.

[TBoneTX 43,545]

Folks, again, and please:  Avoid fretting about something that hasn't even happened yet.

 

The President's unfiltered way of communicating disquieted me, too, initially.

Then, someone pointed out, "He's from Queens," and a light went on.

He communicates precisely as did two former colleagues of mine (separated by a period of years).

They too were from Queens, and their manner of communication initially bothered me.

With them, I learned to interpret their comments figuratively, not literally -- never literally.

This is the second reason to avoid fretting unnecessarily.  Please try to relax.

Edited April 21, 2020 by TBoneTX

[FreyandRyan 330]

Wall Street Journal is reporting speculation it's for work visa with exceptions for farm workers and healthcare workers and won't affect immigrants already in the US. 

 

 

Edited April 21, 2020 by FreyandRyan