MEGATHREAD- All USA Flights from EU banned for next 30 days

[designguy 1,179]

Just now, Ramar1 said:

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Well I'm on the Cr1 visa, I would be OK? 

Yes your fine as per current proclamation as your country is not covered anyways. What will happen in the future, who knows? I wouldnt leave it to chance.

[Diane and Chris 651]

2 hours ago, Donald120383 said:

a little too late... jsut 90 days late but they can book tickets from EU to UK to US

Are you sure?  Wouldn’t this defeat the whole purpose of the ban?  

[Diane and Chris 651]

2 hours ago, Donald120383 said:

Apparently even cargo from Europe is also banned for 30 days .. 

Not true. 

[JFH 12,189]

1 hour ago, Donald120383 said:

its being handled very badly by the leadership.  infection is already here ,not sure what is achieved by banning flights from europe 

Exactly. I’m here in Washington state with over 25 deaths so far around me. But Gods forbid anyone should come here from Denmark where they have had zero deaths. Or Germany with 3 deaths in the entire country. 

[Diane and Chris 651]

1 hour ago, Donald120383 said:

its being handled very badly by the leadership.  infection is already here ,not sure what is achieved by banning flights from europe 

IMHO, I believe it will help decrease the spread. If we can contain what we have here, that would be the best scenario. Don’t bring anymore infected individuals into the U.S.  This should have been done a few weeks ago. 

[Orangesapples 1,954]

4 minutes ago, JFH said:

Exactly. I’m here in Washington state with over 25 deaths so far around me. But Gods forbid anyone should come here from Denmark where they have had zero deaths. Or Germany with 3 deaths in the entire country. 

I don't understand the logic of banning people coming from Schengen, that makes just zero sense. 

[JFH 12,189]

4 minutes ago, Diane and Chris said:

IMHO, I believe it will help decrease the spread. If we can contain what we have here, that would be the best scenario. Don’t bring anymore infected individuals into the U.S.  This should have been done a few weeks ago. 

But look at the numbers who are infected in the UK compared to places like Portugal or Estonia. It makes no sense. EU passport holders don’t even get a stamp when they travel from one country to another so you’ll only have their word for it that they have not been to a Schengen country. Example - I have a German passport and a British passport. Imagine I am living in Germany but travel to the UK one one ticket using my German passport and then the next day board a flight up the US on my UK passport. Even if they could track my passport activity they still wouldn’t know, unless I’m honest, that although I came here on a flight from London I’d actually been in Bonn for the last 10 years. 

[JFH 12,189]

Poland (banned) has 0.8 cases per million population. 
UK (not banned) has 6.7 cases per million population. 
 

Now tell me it’s to stop the spread of the virus. 

[Diane and Chris 651]

1 minute ago, JFH said:

But look at the numbers who are infected in the UK compared to places like Portugal or Estonia. It makes no sense. EU passport holders don’t even get a stamp when they travel from one country to another so you’ll only have their word for it that they have not been to a Schengen country. Example - I have a German passport and a British passport. Imagine I am living in Germany but travel to the UK one one ticket using my German passport and then the next day board a flight up the US on my UK passport. Even if they could track my passport activity they still wouldn’t know, unless I’m honest, that although I came here on a flight from London I’d actually been in Bonn for the last 10 years. 

That’s true. Hopefully, in the best interest of others welfare, people will be honest and follow the bans. 

[igoyougoduke 1,604]

23 minutes ago, designguy said:

Yes your fine as per current proclamation as your country is not covered anyways. What will happen in the future, who knows? I wouldnt leave it to chance.

it looks more and more that a global ban will come very soon. every country will block every other country even within europe.  Praying for everyone this goes away. Hopefully the leadership in every country wakes up and contain this monster aggressively 

[Orangesapples 1,954]

9 minutes ago, Donald120383 said:

it looks more and more that a global ban will come very soon. every country will block every other country even within europe.  Praying for everyone this goes away. Hopefully the leadership in every country wakes up and contain this monster aggressively 

Or maybe they should learn from how Korea handled it and focus on testing and treating patients. People in the US can't afford to get tested, so they don't. Apparently Trump thinks tax cuts will contain a pandemic. 

[ch3john 308]

22 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

I don't understand the logic of banning people coming from Schengen, that makes just zero sense. 

Merkel is predicting 70% of Germany will get it. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51835856

[Orangesapples 1,954]

6 minutes ago, ch3john said:

Merkel is predicting 70% of Germany will get it. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51835856

But why Schengen? Why not just the specific countries that have reported cases? Why not the UK? 

 

22 minutes ago, JFH said:

Poland (banned) has 0.8 cases per million population. 
UK (not banned) has 6.7 cases per million population. 
 

Now tell me it’s to stop the spread of the virus. 

This is a great point. 

[geowrian 22,335]

The wording from the actual proclamation does not mention K visa holders or a fiance/fiancee. The only exemptions it noted apply to immediate relatives, which it explicitly names.

Whether or not a policy will determine to interpret that as to include K holders or is something to be clarified or demonstrated. Since it is not explicitly defined, I would err on the side that it does not include them until evidence suggests otherwise.

 

I can't say I agree with the specifics of the countries impacted by the ban. As noted, there are a number included that do not currently pose a considerable risk. IMO, it would have been better to just define the specific countries they are concerned about.

That said, the easy flow of people across the region makes enforcement pretty much impossible unless they do actually ban the entire region (and I can see why UK was excluded, as flow to the UK is more regulated due to a natural border).

Either way, it's mostly too little, too late. The effectiveness of such a ban now is likely negligible.

 

16 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

Or maybe they should learn from how Korea handled it and focus on testing and treating patients. People in the US can't afford to get tested, so they don't. Apparently Trump thinks tax cuts will contain a pandemic. 

Yes, the lack of testing is the biggest problem now, not so much travelers. The time to prevent spread via foreign travelers has long passed.

Any ACA plan, plus government-sponsored plans like Medicare,  will cover the cost of the testing (minus the dr visit). The local hospitals here are permitting testing at no cost, and we have no cases locally. That said, IMO the test should not cost anything even if uninsured...this isn't some entitlement or free ride or whatever, it directly benefits everybody by doing so and reduces the total impact and costs associated with handling the virus.

 

The bigger issue, IMHO, is the inability to even get the test. There's many cases of people who absolutely should have been tested but were refused under the criteria the CDC set.

Edited March 12, 2020 by geowrian

[Diane and Chris 651]

9 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

Or maybe they should learn from how Korea handled it and focus on testing and treating patients. People in the US can't afford to get tested, so they don't. Apparently Trump thinks tax cuts will contain a pandemic. 

People in the U.S. will not have to pay to be tested. The tax cuts are to help those affected by the economic aspects of closures, not being able to work, etc. It is not meant to contain the virus.