Untrue bill (cyberstalking) for i129f?

[Killerbee04x 25]

Well I was doing my job for the military got falsely accused by a state. Because it was a arrest I have to list it? How do I even list it In the packet? Do i have to get a waver for a untrue bill? It's like someone falsely accused you and you still get damages or discrimination from it? I'm sure theirs laws against what they are asking for. Because If it's not true.. then why do I have to list it.. I'm so confused.. do I need a waver or not. Why isn't untrue Bill's explain better in the instructions.. 

[Crazy Cat 39,183]

Follow the instructions exactly on the form.....failure to do so could result in a denial.  It has happened.  You must list all arrests...

Edited May 29, 2019 by missileman

[Killerbee04x 25]

I am listing it. Still if its untrue it technically is exempt. Asking for it is illegal. They can't ask for it. They can't deny me on that grounds. I can understand them ask for it from a non us citizen. They are under different rules as a green card holder. Asking a us citizen about a untrue arrest on the grounds of denial is illegal.. they can't ask for it.  

[Crazy Cat 39,183]

Just now, Killerbee04x said:

I am listing it. Still if its untrue it technically is exempt. Asking for it is illegal. They can't ask for it. They can't deny me on that grounds. I can understand them ask for it from a non us citizen. They are under different rules as a green card holder. Asking a us citizen about a untrue arrest on the grounds of denial is illegal.. they can't ask for it.  

Even expunged records are not exempt..........I don't know where you are getting your information, but it is inaccurate.  Don't try to get creative or play games with immigration..... "Cooperate and Graduate"....

 

[SalishSea 16,746]

31 minutes ago, Killerbee04x said:

I am listing it. Still if its untrue it technically is exempt. Asking for it is illegal. They can't ask for it. They can't deny me on that grounds. I can understand them ask for it from a non us citizen. They are under different rules as a green card holder. Asking a us citizen about a untrue arrest on the grounds of denial is illegal.. they can't ask for it.  

Huh?

[Unlockable 7,306]

31 minutes ago, Killerbee04x said:

I am listing it. Still if its untrue it technically is exempt. Asking for it is illegal. They can't ask for it. They can't deny me on that grounds. I can understand them ask for it from a non us citizen. They are under different rules as a green card holder. Asking a us citizen about a untrue arrest on the grounds of denial is illegal.. they can't ask for it.  

I think you are gravely misunderstanding the entire concept of obtaining legal information for federal entities.

 

Everything you stated above is untrue. It is not illegal to ask for such information. They are not asking if you did it... they are asking if you’ve ever been in a situation where you have been arrested. They don’t care if it was true or not. They simply want to know if you had ANY interactions with the law. You could be sued but end up having the lawsuit dismissed or thrown out by the judge. It still does not erase that fact that you were sued.

 

Another reason is because there are people who get arrested and are 100% guilty, but they end up not being convicted. Law officials would still have record of that person because if they commit the same crime again in the future, it could help the investigation. 

 

You are taking this way too personal. And quite frankly, you are making an argument you will not win. Why? Because they set the rules, laws, and policies. If you want to be able to bring your love here, you have to abide by those rules. Otherwise, they will simply refuse a visa and tell you to go live in your fiance’s Country.

 

Again, it is not about whether or not you did it....it is about getting all the background information they need about you.

[Killerbee04x 25]

It is illegal. Why are they asking  for a untrue bill. It's like asking for your medical history. They just want to know if you're a risk to the healthcare system.. have you ever eaten any unhealthy foods? Do you exercise? They aren't using it against you. They just want to no the risk factor to society

[Crazy Cat 39,183]

4 minutes ago, Killerbee04x said:

It is illegal. Why are they asking  for a untrue bill. It's like asking for your medical history. They just want to know if you're a risk to the healthcare system.. have you ever eaten any unhealthy foods? Do you exercise? They aren't using it against you. They just want to no the risk factor to society

You have a lot to learn about the immigration system.......Good luck on your journey.....Missileman out!!

[Unlockable 7,306]

4 minutes ago, Killerbee04x said:

It is illegal. Why are they asking  for a untrue bill. It's like asking for your medical history. They just want to know if you're a risk to the healthcare system.. have you ever eaten any unhealthy foods? Do you exercise? They aren't using it against you. They just want to no the risk factor to society

It is not illegal. And just because you say it is does not make it illegal. It may be something you prefer to be illegal, but trust me it is not.

 

The United States gets millions upon millions of visa applications a year. For many years. Don’t you think with all the high profile lawyers in the USA there would have been many class action lawsuit about this by now if it were illegal?

 

And yes EVeRY government has the right to find out if you are a risk to society. It is called national security. And if they do and health check and you have Tuberculosis or Ebola, then you will not get a visa. That is not illegal.

 

Claiming it is not illegal is not going to change anything. I’m sorry if you are not able to accept the realization that your claim is wrong.

[mogiftney 144]

1 hour ago, Killerbee04x said:

Well I was doing my job for the military got falsely accused by a state. Because it was a arrest I have to list it? How do I even list it In the packet? Do i have to get a waver for a untrue bill? It's like someone falsely accused you and you still get damages or discrimination from it? I'm sure theirs laws against what they are asking for. Because If it's not true.. then why do I have to list it.. I'm so confused.. do I need a waver or not. Why isn't untrue Bill's explain better in the instructions.. 

I’m definitely nowhere near the most experienced or knowledgeable member of this forum so everybody feel free to correct me if I’m wrong here, but I think you need to list it anyway and explain your side of things if you guys are asked anywhere in the process, so be on the same page. I believe they can look into it themselves with background checks and decide whether or not it’s worthy of a denial. I’m 99 percent sure you need to list it though. I’ve seen people on here get denied for not listing charges because they considered them irrelevant. The government does not take kindly to being lied to, and this will probably be perceived as such. Avoid an RFE and list it now before it slows you down. I think people with criminal records need to submit documentation on the offense as well so you may want to look into that, it may prove your innocence depending on the circumstances of your issue. It’s not illegal for them to ask for that nor medical records, you’re the only applying for the visa, you don’t have to apply for it if you don’t want to abide by their rules, they view this as a privilege.

[elmcitymaven 9,711]

"Untrue bill" has no legal meaning (maybe back in the 19th century, but definitely not now) so I suggest that in your dealings with USCIS you avoid that term. What I believe you mean is that you were arrested (or perhaps charged?) and that ultimately no charges were brought or if brought, such charges were dismissed because there was lack of probable cause or insufficient evidence. No biggie. Happens more frequently than you'd believe. What is absolutely imperative is that you disclose ALL meaningful interactions with criminal law enforcement, even if nothing ever came of the interaction. Governmental and quasi-governmental bodies get to ask about all sorts of embarrassing stuff about us and it is 100% legal within certain parameters. If you have heard somewhere that USCIS is not permitted to ask about charges that went nowhere, please do not listen to that source any longer. 

 

If you do not disclose the arrest, believe me, USCIS will find out and it can cause unwanted delay or even more prying into your life. I sense that you treasure your privacy, as you 100% should! It is one of the beauties of being an American. However, going through the immigration process requires you to throw open many doors to your life to the government, and the government is required to look inside the doors. I'm a pretty private person in real life, and I didn't enjoy having to share certain aspects of my "story" with USCIS because I found it painful or embarrassing. But I pulled on my big girl pants and did it.

 

Immigration is not a right, it's a privilege. When a privilege is involved, we are supplicants, and do not get to make the rules. Instead, we must follow them. We're trying to help you here by suggesting you follow them too.

[Killerbee04x 25]

I'm not applying for immigration. I'm a us citizen.. so tell my why they need to know a untrue bill?  If its not true why do they need to know. I'm ready part of society so how can I be a risk. So I'm guilty of a crime I never committed or some how a risk factor  because someone lied.. what is this? Why isn't untrue listed? I wonder why isn't not listed at all. Because it's illegal to ask for that..

[SalishSea 16,746]

4 minutes ago, Killerbee04x said:

I'm not applying for immigration. I'm a us citizen.. so tell my why they need to know a untrue bill?  If its not true why do they need to know. I'm ready part of society so how can I be a risk. So I'm guilty of a crime I never committed or some how a risk factor  because someone lied.. what is this? Why isn't untrue listed? I wonder why isn't not listed at all. Because it's illegal to ask for that..

"Untrue bill" is not a thing.  Perhaps folks here could better assist you if you define what you think this means.

[elmcitymaven 9,711]

6 minutes ago, Killerbee04x said:

I'm not applying for immigration. I'm a us citizen.. so tell my why they need to know a untrue bill?  If its not true why do they need to know. I'm ready part of society so how can I be a risk. So I'm guilty of a crime I never committed or some how a risk factor  because someone lied.. what is this? Why isn't untrue listed? I wonder why isn't not listed at all. Because it's illegal to ask for that..

Because there is no such thing as an untrue bill? It is NOT illegal to ask for this information from you, as the United States citizen. USCIS needs to have a full picture of the petitioner -- you -- and that includes your background, warts and all. You HAVE to put this in. There is no way of getting around it. If you refuse to answer this question, it will only cause you and your fiancee/spouse needless delay and harm. 

[Killerbee04x 25]

Untrue bill is real. It's when the information brought against you is false. It's what the court labeled it as.