Travel back to Philippines after marriage in USA

[vscampbell 11]

Well, let me ask this question.... what if we get the K1 Visa, have a ceremony in the Philippines then fly here and have a second one to satisfy the US Government. If we do that, it is not so important that we return to The Philippines until she gets her change of status???? We can manage our businesses from here for 6 months or so, and if needed I can make a quick trip there without her to deal with anything??   I'm thinking that this might be another option... but there are some weird marriage laws in Phil that come into play but I think we could work around that. Does anyone know of a couple that gets married there first after the K1 is issued?

[geowrian 22,336]

Just now, vscampbell said:

Well, let me ask this question.... what if we get the K1 Visa, have a ceremony in the Philippines then fly here and have a second one to satisfy the US Government. If we do that, it is not so important that we return to The Philippines until she gets her change of status???? We can manage our businesses from here for 6 months or so, and if needed I can make a quick trip there without her to deal with anything??   I'm thinking that this might be another option... but there are some weird marriage laws in Phil that come into play but I think we could work around that. Does anyone know of a couple that gets married there first after the K1 is issued?

Getting married abroad then entering on a K-1 visa would be fraud.

Having a non-legal wedding celebration before entry, if discovered by CBP can result in being denied entry due to possibly being married.

[vscampbell 11]

Not sure how they would know... we have a non legal ceremony with the family, catch a plane back to the USA.... how would they know? 

[geowrian 22,336]

4 minutes ago, vscampbell said:

Not sure how they would know... we have a non legal ceremony with the family, catch a plane back to the USA.... how would they know? 

Easy, they ask.

Also, they could go through her phone or other documents and see wedding-related information.

Certainly not the first person this has happened with.

Edit: Also, background checks during AOS might stumble across something. Again, not the first time it's happened.

Edited September 27, 2018 by geowrian

[vscampbell 11]

This is why hundreds and hundreds of people are just moving their businesses to Asia, SMH. If my construction company was not location specific I would just leave. Never thought I would see the day when the Philippine government is LESS corrupt and broken than ours. I know an attorney that specializes in helping businesses move to Asia, he handles more than 100 every year..... 

[geowrian 22,336]

Not sure what's corrupt here.

Broken? Probably. But to which way is debated constantly.

[vscampbell 11]

Well it is certain that our immigration system is completely corrupt, and I have been a building code consultant to government for many years and it is shocking how much money is funneled into the pockets of our politicians to buy influence, violate building codes, etc... our government on every level, city/ state/ federal is completely corrupt. I want to say that people would be shocked to know how much but maybe they would not be..... we did an investigation of a newly constructed high school in this state and found 8,000 building code violations. Inspectors were being bought off, and a sampling of other projects, including hospitals, showed the same thing. The attorney general wanted funding to expand the investigation state wide but the lobbyist for the general contractors spread a bunch of money around and the legislature pulled all of the funding and shut down the entire investigation. It got so bad in California that they had to change the entire building inspection process for hospitals and prisons. Truth.

 

Ok guys thanks, I think I have my answer. Really appreciate it.

[Unlockable 7,306]

1 hour ago, vscampbell said:

This is why hundreds and hundreds of people are just moving their businesses to Asia, SMH. If my construction company was not location specific I would just leave. Never thought I would see the day when the Philippine government is LESS corrupt and broken than ours. I know an attorney that specializes in helping businesses move to Asia, he handles more than 100 every year..... 

 

1 hour ago, vscampbell said:

Well it is certain that our immigration system is completely corrupt, and I have been a building code consultant to government for many years and it is shocking how much money is funneled into the pockets of our politicians to buy influence, violate building codes, etc... our government on every level, city/ state/ federal is completely corrupt. I want to say that people would be shocked to know how much but maybe they would not be..... we did an investigation of a newly constructed high school in this state and found 8,000 building code violations. Inspectors were being bought off, and a sampling of other projects, including hospitals, showed the same thing. The attorney general wanted funding to expand the investigation state wide but the lobbyist for the general contractors spread a bunch of money around and the legislature pulled all of the funding and shut down the entire investigation. It got so bad in California that they had to change the entire building inspection process for hospitals and prisons. Truth.

 

Ok guys thanks, I think I have my answer. Really appreciate it.

Not seeing your claim for corruption in this case.  A lengthy and strict policy does not mean a system is corrupt. There is plenty of corruption in the world, sure. But in this case, one is not connected to the other. I don't see the correlation of building inspections with immigration.

 

Anyway,

 

There are specific reason why you can't do what you want to do.

You can't get married before a K1 visa. Even if you do and are able to still use it, you wife could be subject to have her green card removed (even years later) because it was obtained under false pretense.

 

Your research of the K1 does not seem to have provided you with accurate information. The K1 is faster than a spouse visa, but it is only a few months faster. It is still a lengthy process. Also, the K1 has a lot of restrictions. But one thing for sure is that the K1 is definitely NOT easier. Your best bet is to get married in the Philippines and file for a CR1.

 

The purpose of immigrants getting green cards are to become permanent residents in the US. There are specific requirements that they must abide by like maintaining US residency, paying taxes, obeying law, etc.  If your fiance want's to freely travel out of the US for a determinate amount of time, she would need to be a US citizen.

 

Seems a better plan for you is to get married, file for CR1, have your wife come to the US to establish residency, and then have her visit the PH for short visits until she becomes a US citizen.

 

 

[JFH 12,189]

In your case and for your purposes, the K-1 is the slowest and most expensive. Your wife wants to travel quickly after arriving in the USA - if that’s a priority the K-1 is absolutely the worst choice. 

 

Your best bet is to marry in the Philippines and use the DCF procedure (assuming you met the presence requirement) for a spousal visa. Your wife can then travel back to the Philippines within hours of arriving here, if she really wants. 

[EmilyW 1,236]

I don't get what I want = corrupt government.

 

versus

 

I do my due diligence and examine all options carefully, weighing up the pros and cons = expected and desired outcome.

 

 

 

[debbiedoo 2,339]

10 hours ago, vscampbell said:

she doesnt need to work, we have businesses both in USA and Philippines. There has to be some way for us to travel and return??? Maybe an attorney can find a way???

without AP no. she also can NOT work without EAD

 

if being able to travel freely and work was a concern, you should have married and filed for a CR1

[Daniela M_______ 409]

9 hours ago, vscampbell said:

This is why hundreds and hundreds of people are just moving their businesses to Asia, SMH. If my construction company was not location specific I would just leave. Never thought I would see the day when the Philippine government is LESS corrupt and broken than ours. I know an attorney that specializes in helping businesses move to Asia, he handles more than 100 every year..... 

You did a wrong research and didn't care to understand the process in its totality and now you blame the system and the way business are done...

 

Law is very specific, you CAN'T leave the US after entering on a K1 without doing the complete paperwork. You can't get married abroad and then come to the US on a K1 because that's fraud. And you might think they won't found out but it can affect you in ANY part of the process, like in 5 years if you want to settle your business in America and your fiance decides to go to citizenship path, your relationship will be scrutinized for more than just the K1 visa. So, yes, they can find out at any moment.

 

My suggestion, abandon K1 visa if you are not willing to follow the right procedure which is stay in USA, file AOS, and get a full residence there. And just file for a different type of visa according to your needs.

 

She is immigrating, she must follows the rules, you are the USC and it's your duty to assure that rules are followed as well, I'm sorry but that's the experience of moving to a country different than yours.

[aznhouston 124]

11 hours ago, vscampbell said:

Im thinking there might be some kind of business visa something like that. Im sure that if Microsoft needed someone to travel around they have ways.

Employment-based GC is different.

[Paul & Mallory 1,398]

With this kind of outlook, US immigration is probably not going to suit you in the ways you want it to.

 

K1 is not a travel visa. It's a visa for someone intending on moving permanently to the country to live and marry a US citizen.

 

K1 is not the best option for someone who simply wants to be able to travel or and/or work in/from the US hand in hand with another country.

 

Whatever research you did that told you contrary to the above, was incorrect or incomplete research.

 

US immigration is not corrupt. Parts of it could be improved, absolutely. But there are restrictions and limitations for a reason. Thinking you or your situation makes you more important or better than anyone else is a blissfully ignorant perspective. Just as one example; to think of doing something that does not follow the rules and validate it with "how will they know?" is just asking for trouble. If you did any research at all, you'd know enough horror stories of people who thought "how will they know?" and got denied. Or banned.

 

 

[notantifun 196]

Took close to 6 months for me to receive my EAD/AP card.