The second impeachment of Donald Trump thread

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Pelosi is seeking impeachment if The 25th is not invoked

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Updated 2 hours ago - Politics & Policy

House Democrats introduce impeachment charge against Trump

Orion Rummler

 

 

 

 

Trump supporters begin to overrun the Capitol on Jan. 6. Photo: Alex Edelman/AFP via Getty Images

House Democrats on Monday introduced a single article of impeachment against President Trump for inciting a mob of his supporters to violence to prevent certifying the election of President-elect Joe Biden.

Why it matters: With less than two weeks left in his presidency, Trump faces a second impeachment, catalyzed by a monthslong campaign to baselessly discredit the results of the 2020 election — which ultimately led to a lethal attack on the nation's capital.

Where it stands: Rep. David Cicilline (D-R.I.), who introduced the measure, said on Twitter that Democrats have enough votes to pass the article through the House.

What they're saying: Democrats accuse Trump of engaging in "insurrection or rebellion" against the U.S. as defined in the 14th Amendment, which prohibits any such person from "holding any office" if the Senate convicts him.

• Prior to the attack, Trump had encouraged those at the "March for Trump" protest to march to the Capitol.
• Two hours into the siege, Trump urged his supporters "to go home," adding, "We love you. You're very special. ... I know how you feel. But go home, and go home in peace."

Yes, but: The likelihood of conviction in the Senate is dubious, despite some Republican lawmakers saying they would consider it.

[B_J 2,752]

I just read the transcript and, while his speech wasn't helpful, I don't see how they can get him for inciting violence.  In the speech he says they will march to the capitol peacefully and patriotically to make their voices heard.  He also said they were going to march there to give Republicans pride and boldness. There is a lot more rambling but nothing of any importance.  I don't see anything in there that is encouraging violence or insurrection.

 

This seems to be pure politics and is doing nothing good for our country.

 

His legacy is tarnished forever.  History will not be kind to him because of this.  Forget him and move on to the new President and start bringing the country together.  

 

P.S. The worst part about reading the transcript of the speech is that you end up reading it in his voice.  His voice and speaking style is incredibly annoying.

[Prizm123 1,084]

17 minutes ago, B_J said:

 

P.S. The worst part about reading the transcript of the speech is that you end up reading it in his voice.  His voice and speaking style is incredibly annoying.

and you visualize the accordion hands

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

21 minutes ago, B_J said:

I just read the transcript and, while his speech wasn't helpful, I don't see how they can get him for inciting violence.  In the speech he says they will march to the capitol peacefully and patriotically to make their voices heard.  He also said they were going to march there to give Republicans pride and boldness. There is a lot more rambling but nothing of any importance.  I don't see anything in there that is encouraging violence or insurrection.

 

This seems to be pure politics and is doing nothing good for our country.

 

His legacy is tarnished forever.  History will not be kind to him because of this.  Forget him and move on to the new President and start bringing the country together.  

 

P.S. The worst part about reading the transcript of the speech is that you end up reading it in his voice.  His voice and speaking style is incredibly annoying.

There is no "bringing the country together" from the inflicting of chaos and promotion of violence across the country, several years of attacking Trump supporters, going after their livelihood, trying to ruin their lives, and the litany of other things. Only contrition could accomplish that and even after they believe they've won they've simply doubled down on de-platforming people away from any semblance of unity, trying to stick their foot on the throats of Trump supporters as if they can obliterate them entirely. Eventually, people can only get fed up of this. The US is irreparably harmed and where things go from here don't seem to be anywhere good.

 

Edited January 11, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds

[Neonred 3,454]

3 hours ago, B_J said:

I just read the transcript and, while his speech wasn't helpful, I don't see how they can get him for inciting violence.  In the speech he says they will march to the capitol peacefully and patriotically to make their voices heard.  He also said they were going to march there to give Republicans pride and boldness. There is a lot more rambling but nothing of any importance.  I don't see anything in there that is encouraging violence or insurrection.

 

This seems to be pure politics and is doing nothing good for our country.

 

 

I read the transcript this past weekend and came to the same exact conclusion.    Here is what a high school classmate of mine wrote after he left the rally.

 

Disavowing the Extremes

My wife tugged at the sleeve of my jacket. “We’ve got to get going. Our bus leaves at four.” I took one last look at the Capital. We were about fifty yards away from the steps in a crowd of singing, flag-waving Americans. That fateful day in Washington, DC had been cold and windy - but heartwarming at the same time. We had spent the day among hundreds of thousands of joyful, respectful, peace-loving patriots. I discussed the events of the day with my wife as we stopped to grab a bite at one of the food trucks. We had listened to the President a few hours earlier and did exactly what he suggested – we walked to the Capital and let our voices be heard. It was not until we reached our bus that we heard the reports that people had stormed into the Capital and inflicted violence upon the Capital Police and damage to the building. The criminal acts of a few hundred knuckleheads had stolen our message and changed the headlines.

The ride home was filled with frantic theories of infiltration by left wing radicals and numerous conspiratorial stories of the ‘man with horns.’ I listened to my bus-mates in silence. I’ve come to understand that most of the early information in breaking news is untrue. The real estate agent sitting behind us spoke to several of her friends on the phone and informed them that a 16-year-old girl was shot and killed inside the Capital! Only later did we learn she was a 16-year Air Force veteran. An earnest young man across the aisle said he just read that all the people that broke into the Capital were Antifa members who had infiltrated our ranks. Misinformation travels at the speed of light while the truth travels at a more leisurely pace. In the days since the rally, I have researched each of the individuals who broke into the Capital. The vast majority are radical, right-wing Trump supporters. These people are despicable and do not reflect my beliefs, or the ideology of nearly all of the individuals who participated in the rally on January 6th, 2021.

I am a Constitutional conservative. My intellectual political GPS places me at the intersection of William F Buckley and Charles Krauthammer. My most recent political icon is Ronald Reagan. I detest the far-right and everything they represent – bigotry, white supremacy and anarchy. Every conservative I know (and follow in the media) feel exactly the same. The radical right is evil and determined to destroy the constitutional framework which forms the bedrock of our great nation. My conservative ideology includes respect for our police and military, respect for the rule of law, respect for our freedom of speech, and a strict adherence to the principles outlined in our Constitution. I stand with my fellow conservatives on solid ground. We universally reject the ideology and actions of the radical right. Period.

Democrats (and liberal philosophy in general) have their lunatic fringe as well – the radical left. They are made up of many groups including Antifa and some elements of BLM. These individuals use the same tactics as the far right; violence and intimidation to achieve their political goals. I will be watching very closely to see if my liberal friends and political leaders reject their radical ideology as vigorously as my conservative friends reject our wacky fringe. This is vital for the survival of our democracy – we must each condemn the radical elements of our belief systems in order to avoid a continuation of our political discord. And let’s be honest - this dissonance did not occur under Donald Trump. Our country has been drifting into two separate camps for over 50 years – the concrete bunkers have simply been reinforced and communication lines increasingly disrupted. In order to return to arguing about tax rates and defense spending, each side must reject their respective ideological extremes. Only then can we find common ground.

Jerry

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1 hour ago, Neonred said:

I read the transcript this past weekend and came to the same exact conclusion.    Here is what a high school classmate of mine wrote after he left the rally.

 

Disavowing the Extremes

My wife tugged at the sleeve of my jacket. “We’ve got to get going. Our bus leaves at four.” I took one last look at the Capital. We were about fifty yards away from the steps in a crowd of singing, flag-waving Americans. That fateful day in Washington, DC had been cold and windy - but heartwarming at the same time. We had spent the day among hundreds of thousands of joyful, respectful, peace-loving patriots. I discussed the events of the day with my wife as we stopped to grab a bite at one of the food trucks. We had listened to the President a few hours earlier and did exactly what he suggested – we walked to the Capital and let our voices be heard. It was not until we reached our bus that we heard the reports that people had stormed into the Capital and inflicted violence upon the Capital Police and damage to the building. The criminal acts of a few hundred knuckleheads had stolen our message and changed the headlines.

The ride home was filled with frantic theories of infiltration by left wing radicals and numerous conspiratorial stories of the ‘man with horns.’ I listened to my bus-mates in silence. I’ve come to understand that most of the early information in breaking news is untrue. The real estate agent sitting behind us spoke to several of her friends on the phone and informed them that a 16-year-old girl was shot and killed inside the Capital! Only later did we learn she was a 16-year Air Force veteran. An earnest young man across the aisle said he just read that all the people that broke into the Capital were Antifa members who had infiltrated our ranks. Misinformation travels at the speed of light while the truth travels at a more leisurely pace. In the days since the rally, I have researched each of the individuals who broke into the Capital. The vast majority are radical, right-wing Trump supporters. These people are despicable and do not reflect my beliefs, or the ideology of nearly all of the individuals who participated in the rally on January 6th, 2021.

I am a Constitutional conservative. My intellectual political GPS places me at the intersection of William F Buckley and Charles Krauthammer. My most recent political icon is Ronald Reagan. I detest the far-right and everything they represent – bigotry, white supremacy and anarchy. Every conservative I know (and follow in the media) feel exactly the same. The radical right is evil and determined to destroy the constitutional framework which forms the bedrock of our great nation. My conservative ideology includes respect for our police and military, respect for the rule of law, respect for our freedom of speech, and a strict adherence to the principles outlined in our Constitution. I stand with my fellow conservatives on solid ground. We universally reject the ideology and actions of the radical right. Period.

Democrats (and liberal philosophy in general) have their lunatic fringe as well – the radical left. They are made up of many groups including Antifa and some elements of BLM. These individuals use the same tactics as the far right; violence and intimidation to achieve their political goals. I will be watching very closely to see if my liberal friends and political leaders reject their radical ideology as vigorously as my conservative friends reject our wacky fringe. This is vital for the survival of our democracy – we must each condemn the radical elements of our belief systems in order to avoid a continuation of our political discord. And let’s be honest - this dissonance did not occur under Donald Trump. Our country has been drifting into two separate camps for over 50 years – the concrete bunkers have simply been reinforced and communication lines increasingly disrupted. In order to return to arguing about tax rates and defense spending, each side must reject their respective ideological extremes. Only then can we find common ground.

Jerry

 

These people attacked the capital armed with pepper spray, grappling hooks, zip ties designed to take hostages. 

 

If the presidents words did not trigger this, what did? 

 

 If the president loves this country, why will he not call a press conference and describe what went wrong?

 

What is being done to protect the Capitol?

 

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13 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

What is being done to protect the Capitol?

 

You know the Capitol already has a over a $1billion dollar a year budget right? Also are you talking about for the inauguration or just in general? They are talking about bringing in 10k worth of troops for it. Which I know some guys who are supposedly on stand by for it. So I will see tomorrow what he is doing for it

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13 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

You know the Capitol already has a over a $1billion dollar a year budget right? Also are you talking about for the inauguration or just in general? They are talking about bringing in 10k worth of troops for it. Which I know some guys who are supposedly on stand by for it. So I will see tomorrow what he is doing for it

My point is this: radio silence from the white house, not even via Whitehouse.Gov Twitter.

 

[Neonred 3,454]

1 hour ago, CanAm1980 said:

 

 

If the presidents words did not trigger this, what did? 

 

 

Which words exactly?

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

1 minute ago, Neonred said:

Which words exactly?

They're also saying "upvotes" did too.

 

So, doesn't matter. Just like the last impeachment attempt, throwing darts blindfolded and hoping something sticks.

 

The hope is, enough coordinated dust kicking about anything Trump results in people getting tired of it, and rather than simply tuning out the noise, giving them their way so as to not be persistently bothered. People have shown to be weak and especially susceptible to barrages of targeted noise. It's how you get police officers, who know better, to kneel for you.

Edited January 12, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

32 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

My point is this: radio silence from the white house, not even via Whitehouse.Gov Twitter.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Neonred said:

Which words exactly?

The ones that said "We are going to walk down to the Capitol peacefully and patriotically to support our Congressmen and women"

[Steeleballz 7,550]

50 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

My point is this: radio silence from the white house, not even via Whitehouse.Gov Twitter.

 

 

15 minutes ago, Neonred said:

Which words exactly?

The ones that said " Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated. Lawfully slated."

[TBoneTX 43,326]

Here's Rush's theory, which yet again might explain the dubious:

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2021/01/11/democrats-want-to-make-sure-trump-cant-run-again/

[Orangesapples 1,954]

7 hours ago, Neonred said:

I read the transcript this past weekend and came to the same exact conclusion.    Here is what a high school classmate of mine wrote after he left the rally.

 

Disavowing the Extremes

My wife tugged at the sleeve of my jacket. “We’ve got to get going. Our bus leaves at four.” I took one last look at the Capital. We were about fifty yards away from the steps in a crowd of singing, flag-waving Americans. That fateful day in Washington, DC had been cold and windy - but heartwarming at the same time. We had spent the day among hundreds of thousands of joyful, respectful, peace-loving patriots. I discussed the events of the day with my wife as we stopped to grab a bite at one of the food trucks. We had listened to the President a few hours earlier and did exactly what he suggested – we walked to the Capital and let our voices be heard. It was not until we reached our bus that we heard the reports that people had stormed into the Capital and inflicted violence upon the Capital Police and damage to the building. The criminal acts of a few hundred knuckleheads had stolen our message and changed the headlines.

The ride home was filled with frantic theories of infiltration by left wing radicals and numerous conspiratorial stories of the ‘man with horns.’ I listened to my bus-mates in silence. I’ve come to understand that most of the early information in breaking news is untrue. The real estate agent sitting behind us spoke to several of her friends on the phone and informed them that a 16-year-old girl was shot and killed inside the Capital! Only later did we learn she was a 16-year Air Force veteran. An earnest young man across the aisle said he just read that all the people that broke into the Capital were Antifa members who had infiltrated our ranks. Misinformation travels at the speed of light while the truth travels at a more leisurely pace. In the days since the rally, I have researched each of the individuals who broke into the Capital. The vast majority are radical, right-wing Trump supporters. These people are despicable and do not reflect my beliefs, or the ideology of nearly all of the individuals who participated in the rally on January 6th, 2021.

I am a Constitutional conservative. My intellectual political GPS places me at the intersection of William F Buckley and Charles Krauthammer. My most recent political icon is Ronald Reagan. I detest the far-right and everything they represent – bigotry, white supremacy and anarchy. Every conservative I know (and follow in the media) feel exactly the same. The radical right is evil and determined to destroy the constitutional framework which forms the bedrock of our great nation. My conservative ideology includes respect for our police and military, respect for the rule of law, respect for our freedom of speech, and a strict adherence to the principles outlined in our Constitution. I stand with my fellow conservatives on solid ground. We universally reject the ideology and actions of the radical right. Period.

Democrats (and liberal philosophy in general) have their lunatic fringe as well – the radical left. They are made up of many groups including Antifa and some elements of BLM. These individuals use the same tactics as the far right; violence and intimidation to achieve their political goals. I will be watching very closely to see if my liberal friends and political leaders reject their radical ideology as vigorously as my conservative friends reject our wacky fringe. This is vital for the survival of our democracy – we must each condemn the radical elements of our belief systems in order to avoid a continuation of our political discord. And let’s be honest - this dissonance did not occur under Donald Trump. Our country has been drifting into two separate camps for over 50 years – the concrete bunkers have simply been reinforced and communication lines increasingly disrupted. In order to return to arguing about tax rates and defense spending, each side must reject their respective ideological extremes. Only then can we find common ground.

Jerry

How does one become a veteran at 16 years old? 

 

And the comparison with Antifa is so dishonest. Nothing on the left is even remotely similar. At least this person accepts that it was indeed Trump supporters that did all the damage but then can't help the whataboutism.