Deceased Petitioner and Immigrating to the USA

[SusieQQQ 11,585]

2 minutes ago, Unlockable said:

The reason why there is a proposal for a merit based system is because chain migration can not be sustainable forever. US immigration is 66% family based and 20+ % work or education based. That means a person who has a sibling in the US but they have no education, knowledge of English language, or work skills have a better chance to come here than a person who is a college graduate and speaks good English but have no relatives here.

 

 

Before this gets chastised for thread drift, as proof of this is the fact that diversity visa immigrants - a totally random selection with merely completed high school as the education eligibility requirement - have significantly higher average educational attainments and work in significantly more white collar/managerial jobs than family based immigrants. Imagine what it would look like adding in tertiary education and/or skilled work experience into the requirements.

[George & Roth 1,485]

7 minutes ago, Unlockable said:

How? 

 

It is not feasible to cut the wait without greatly impacting the rest of the categories.

 

The reason why the wait is so long is because the US is one of the few countries that allow immigrants to bring over family members outside of spouse and children. Cambodia may not even offer petitions for siblings in its country. So when there are so few countries that have this option, the line is going to be very long. So that means people have to wait many years. And I'm sorry, but I would rather give priority of spouses and minor children than siblings.

 

The reason why there is a proposal for a merit based system is because chain migration can not be sustainable forever. US immigration is 66% family based and 20+ % work or education based. That means a person who has a sibling in the US but they have no education, knowledge of English language, or work skills have a better chance to come here than a person who is a college graduate and speaks good English but have no relatives here.

 

The proposal is to simply even the balance.

 

 

Just increase the number of immigrants let in from all categories until we catch up, I am not intending to put a delay on the other categories. I am not asking for them to delay spouses or minor children, etc... 

 

Just don't see any good reason why it is going to take 15-20 years for her brother/sister to be granted a visa. If they are offering that visa it should not take so damned long! Perhaps they should increase the income limits for petitioners to be at a median USA income level, not this poverty level they use now. 

[Unlockable 7,306]

Just now, George & Roth said:

Just increase the number of immigrants let in from all categories until we catch up, I am not intending to put a delay on the other categories. I am not asking for them to delay spouses or minor children, etc... 

 

Just don't see any good reason why it is going to take 15-20 years for her brother/sister to be granted a visa. If they are offering that visa it should not take so damned long! Perhaps they should increase the income limits for petitioners to be at a median USA income level, not this poverty level they use now. 

You totally missed the point in the highlighted above. It is called given an inch but wanting a mile. 

 

The mere fact that you CAN petition a sibling to the US is one very good reason. Like I said, most countries don't even offer that category. 

 

If you really look at it, America has one of the most generous immigration systems. Yes it is painfully slow, but it gives more that a lot of countries. Even birthright citizenship (this is when a child is born in a country's territory is automatically a citizen) is not common worldwide.

 

Also, increasing the amount is not going to help. There is a reason why the amount is limited. It is to prevent our social and economic structure from crashing. 

 

Again, any place that has the best rewards will get the longest lines regardless of how long it takes. 

[geowrian 22,336]

1 hour ago, George & Roth said:

The wait for brothers and sisters to come in is absurdly long. They should really work to cut that wait by at least 75%. 

No amount of work will change that. It's a function of the limits imposed by law combined with demand, not processing speed.

 

Edit: Even if both USCIS and DOS increased 10-fold, facilities, and all related systems, the total wait time would only (directly*) decrease by a couple months out of the ~15+ year wait.

*I say directly as it would actually have a side effect that would also somewhat decrease wait times - less people being covered by CSPA means less visas issued to both F2A and derivatives, and therefore more visas available to others.

 

56 minutes ago, George & Roth said:

Just increase the number of immigrants let in from all categories until we catch up, I am not intending to put a delay on the other categories. I am not asking for them to delay spouses or minor children, etc... 

 

Just don't see any good reason why it is going to take 15-20 years for her brother/sister to be granted a visa. If they are offering that visa it should not take so damned long!

That would require the support of both chambers of Congress and the president (or a super majority in Congress). It's not happening, period.

 

The only way to decrease the wait for siblings (F4 category) now would be to make another category wait longer.

Edited May 22, 2019 by geowrian

[Boiler 43,791]

Does any other Country allow siblings to be sponsored?

[Cryssiekins 976]

47 minutes ago, George & Roth said:

Just increase the number of immigrants let in from all categories until we catch up, I am not intending to put a delay on the other categories. I am not asking for them to delay spouses or minor children, etc... 

 

Just don't see any good reason why it is going to take 15-20 years for her brother/sister to be granted a visa. If they are offering that visa it should not take so damned long! Perhaps they should increase the income limits for petitioners to be at a median USA income level, not this poverty level they use now. 

Immigration to the U.S. (or other countries) is a privilege, NOT a right.  No one is entitled to a visa, even if they have family, or a great education.

 

The harsh truth is simply that not everyone who wants to immigrate to the U.S. can.  

 

 

[George & Roth 1,485]

15 minutes ago, Cryssiekins said:

Immigration to the U.S. (or other countries) is a privilege, NOT a right.  No one is entitled to a visa, even if they have family, or a great education.

 

The harsh truth is simply that not everyone who wants to immigrate to the U.S. can.  

 

 

 

The fact is that the siblings I am bringing in CAN immigrate. It’s just wrong it takes 2 decades to process. Increase category 4 allowance while leave the others the same. 

 

Immigration is a basic human right. Not a privilege. 

https://fee.org/articles/immigration-is-a-fundamental-human-right/

 

 

[bulls2030 17]

All,

 

This is getting off topic. Please lets not share our opinions on the system here. 

 

Thank you

[geowrian 22,336]

5 minutes ago, George & Roth said:

The fact is that the siblings I am bringing in CAN immigrate. It’s just wrong it takes 2 decades to process. Increase category 4 allowance while leave the others the same. 

As noted, that would require a change in the law. Not happening.

5 minutes ago, George & Roth said:

Immigration is a basic human right. Not a privilege. 

https://fee.org/articles/immigration-is-a-fundamental-human-right/

Interesting theory. But not one I imagine many people are subscribed to, and certainly not one held by the US govenrment.

[jojotica 39]

4 minutes ago, George & Roth said:

 

The fact is that the siblings I am bringing in CAN immigrate. It’s just wrong it takes 2 decades to process. Increase category 4 allowance while leave the others the same. 

 

Immigration is a basic human right. Not a privilege. 

https://fee.org/articles/immigration-is-a-fundamental-human-right/

 

 

This is not how research works, that link is an opinion piece.

 

 There are people individual countries do not want to enter, which is the right of the government chooses to protect their citizens. The same way certain people arent allowed to be around you and your family.

It is not a right. It is a privilege.

[George & Roth 1,485]

Agree to disagree. Netflix time!

 

Cheers

[Going through 5,668]

3 hours ago, Boiler said:

Does any other Country allow siblings to be sponsored?

Canada...but the rules around it are extremely strict in detail....sibling has to be under 18, AND not married or in a common-law relationship, AND both parents must be deceased.  With siblings over 18, only allowed if the Canadian sponsoring has NO other living relatives already residing in Canada as a Canadian citizen or Canadian permanent resident.

 

Failing to meet the criteria above, the sibling would have to apply for immigration on their own merits/other ways.

 

So not as wide as the US's generosity in allowing sibling sponsorship, as you can see.

Edited May 22, 2019 by Going through

[Diane and Chris 651]

6 hours ago, George & Roth said:

Really hope there is no change to the chain migration. I am looking to get 4-6 more people in first but can't file until 22/23

 

The wait for brothers and sisters to come in is absurdly long. They should really work to cut that wait by at least 75%. 

And that is why a lot of people come in and get married to a US Citizen. So they can then bring their family members in. That’s what is making things so hard for most of us. I’m sure they’ll work on that time frame for you. 

[Dashinka 23,399]

9 hours ago, bulls2020 said:

All,

 

This is getting off topic. Please lets not share our opinions on the system here. 

 

Thank you

I agree, there are plenty of VJ forums dedicated to discussing immigration policies.

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

14 hours ago, George & Roth said:

Really hope there is no change to the chain migration. I am looking to get 4-6 more people in first but can't file until 22/23

 

The wait for brothers and sisters to come in is absurdly long. They should really work to cut that wait by at least 75%. 

Be glad you are not from India, Mexico, or the Philippines. The current wait time is 20+ years to bring a sibling.