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Yes it's possible to be detained while trying to fly out of the US. However, it is exceedingly rare if the only issue is an overstay....they essentially want you out.

Note that you won't go through any sort of immigration counters on the way out. The US doesn't do exit controls that way.

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Timelines:

ROC:

Spoiler

7/27/20: Sent forms to Dallas lockbox, 7/30/20: Received by USCIS, 8/10 NOA1 electronic notification received, 8/1/ NOA1 hard copy received

AOS:

Spoiler

AOS (I-485 + I-131 + I-765):

9/25/17: sent forms to Chicago, 9/27/17: received by USCIS, 10/4/17: NOA1 electronic notification received, 10/10/17: NOA1 hard copy received. Social Security card being issued in married name (3rd attempt!)

10/14/17: Biometrics appointment notice received, 10/25/17: Biometrics

1/2/18: EAD + AP approved (no website update), 1/5/18: EAD + AP mailed, 1/8/18: EAD + AP approval notice hardcopies received, 1/10/18: EAD + AP received

9/5/18: Interview scheduled notice, 10/17/18: Interview

10/24/18: Green card produced notice, 10/25/18: Formal approval, 10/31/18: Green card received

K-1:

Spoiler

I-129F

12/1/16: sent, 12/14/16: NOA1 hard copy received, 3/10/17: RFE (IMB verification), 3/22/17: RFE response received

3/24/17: Approved! , 3/30/17: NOA2 hard copy received

 

NVC

4/6/2017: Received, 4/12/2017: Sent to Riyadh embassy, 4/16/2017: Case received at Riyadh embassy, 4/21/2017: Request case transfer to Manila, approved 4/24/2017

 

K-1

5/1/2017: Case received by Manila (1 week embassy transfer??? Lucky~)

7/13/2017: Interview: APPROVED!!!

7/19/2017: Visa in hand

8/15/2017: POE

 

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I have had my status questioned when boarding a domestic flight. The TSA agent flicked through my passport and advised that although he cannot detain me if I were out of status (I wasn’t), as a federal employee he has a duty to report any overstays that he finds. 

Timeline in brief:

Married: September 27, 2014

I-130 filed: February 5, 2016

NOA1: February 8, 2016 Nebraska

NOA2: July 21, 2016

Interview: December 6, 2016 London

POE: December 19, 2016 Las Vegas

N-400 filed: September 30, 2019

Interview: March 22, 2021 Seattle

Oath: March 22, 2021 COVID-style same-day oath

 

Now a US citizen!

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9 hours ago, Dennis117 said:

I just want to know if I can fly domestically from Florida to California

TSA cannot perform an arrest: https://www.tsa.gov/blog/2016/07/03/tsa-myth-busters-do-tsa-officers-arrest-passengers Now, if ICE or CBP is in the immediate vicinity, that's a different story.

7 hours ago, Dennis117 said:

I have a Valid German Passport and German ID. I am not an undocumented Immigrant since I entered the country legally.

Your recent I-94 is now expired. Thus an Illegal Immigrant nonetheless https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecutive-year-visa-overstays-exceeded-illegal-border-crossings

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3 hours ago, HRQX said:

TSA cannot perform an arrest: https://www.tsa.gov/blog/2016/07/03/tsa-myth-busters-do-tsa-officers-arrest-passengers Now, if ICE or CBP is in the immediate vicinity, that's a different story.

Your recent I-94 is now expired. Thus an Illegal Immigrant nonetheless https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecutive-year-visa-overstays-exceeded-illegal-border-crossings

There is always a possibility.

 

 

Visa Received : 2014-04-04 (K1 - see timeline for details)

US Entry : 2014-09-12

POE: Detroit

Marriage : 2014-09-27

I-765 Approved: 2015-01-09

I-485 Interview: 2015-03-11

I-485 Approved: 2015-03-13

Green Card Received: 2015-03-24 Yeah!!!

I-751 ROC Submitted: 2016-12-20

I-751 NOA Received:  2016-12-29

I-751 Biometrics Appt.:  2017-01-26

I-751 Interview:  2018-04-10

I-751 Approved:  2018-05-04

N400 Filed:  2018-01-13

N400 Biometrics:  2018-02-22

N400 Interview:  2018-04-10

N400 Approved:  2018-04-10

Oath Ceremony:  2018-06-11 - DONE!!!!!!!

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13 hours ago, Dennis117 said:

First of all, I am sorry for being a reason people are denied visas to come to the USA. I truly apologize and regret doing this in the first place. It’s complicated so I’m not going into detail, just know that I am sorry. 

 

But one more thing...you don’t think I would get detained and held at SFO airport if I fly from Florida to California? 

 

Sorry for the inconvenience and selfishness in regards about people that truly truly need a visa more than I did. 

 

I plan on never returning. 

There is no, zero possibility of being detained on the way out.

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20 hours ago, Dennis117 said:

Thanks a lot people!

I really appreciate the answers you all gave me.

 

I have a Valid German Passport and German ID. I am not an undocumented Immigrant since I entered the country legally. 

 

And yes i hope they think the same way like you, that they should let me leave instead of wasting tax money on me. I am willing to leave and have the tickets for Korea and then from there back to Germany already. 

 

Thank you 😊

FYI the majority of undocumented immigrants entered legally and overstayed, just like you. It’s the minority who entered illegally.

Entry on VWP to visit then-boyfriend 06/13/2011

Married 06/24/2011

Our first son was born 10/31/2012, our daughter was born 06/30/2014, our second son was born 06/20/2017

AOS Timeline

AOS package mailed 09/06/2011 (Chicago Lockbox)

AOS package signed for by R Mercado 09/07/2011

Priority date for I-485&I-130 09/08/2011

Biometrics done 10/03/2011

Interview letter received 11/18/2011

INTERVIEW DATE!!!! 12/20/2011

Approval e-mail 12/21/2011

Card production e-mail 12/27/2011

GREEN CARD ARRIVED 12/31/2011

Resident since 12/21/2011

ROC Timeline

ROC package mailed to VSC 11/22/2013

NOA1 date 11/26/2013

Biometrics date 12/26/2013

Transfer notice to CSC 03/14/2014

Change of address 03/27/2014

Card production ordered 04/30/2014

10-YEAR GREEN CARD ARRIVED 05/06/2014

N-400 Timeline

N-400 package mailed 09/30/2014

N-400 package delivered 10/01/2014

NOA1 date 10/20/2014

Biometrics date 11/14/2014

Early walk-in biometrics 11/12/2014

In-line for interview 11/23/2014

Interview letter 03/18/2015

Interview date 04/17/2015 ("Decision cannot yet be made.")

In-line for oath scheduling 05/04/2015

Oath ceremony letter dated 05/11/2015

Oath ceremony 06/02/2015

I am a United States citizen!

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Just curious, OP, you seem pretty cavalier about the overstays, as if the consequences are moot as you never intend to come back.  But what about your family here?

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Florida --> California --> South Korea --> Germany.  That's a hell of a long flight plan when there are direct flights to Frankfurt from Orlando and Miami that would have saved time, money and stress :wacko:   I'm sure there are reasons but....

 

Your only checks here for sure are TSA in Florida, and assuming you don't leave the secured area of the airport in California, perhaps a passport check at the airline gate by gate agents.   There is always a possibility of getting stopped.   While I haven't seen CBP personally at a plane, I've read news articles about CBP detaining people at the gates.    This one being one of them:  https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/j5zny7/haisam-elsharkawi-lawsuit-against-us-government-cbp-dhs-unlock-phone

 

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3 minutes ago, mtempelaar said:

Florida --> California --> South Korea --> Germany.  That's a hell of a long flight plan when there are direct flights to Frankfurt from Orlando and Miami that would have saved time, money and stress :wacko:   I'm sure there are reasons but....

 

Your only checks here for sure are TSA in Florida, and assuming you don't leave the secured area of the airport in California, perhaps a passport check at the airline gate by gate agents.   There is always a possibility of getting stopped.   While I haven't seen CBP personally at a plane, I've read news articles about CBP detaining people at the gates.    This one being one of them:  https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/j5zny7/haisam-elsharkawi-lawsuit-against-us-government-cbp-dhs-unlock-phone

 

That seems based on security issues,  as it's a USC, not detaining an illegal trying to leave

 

As already posted TSA can't arrest anyone, and there is no reason to waste manpower to ...deport someone who is on their way out anyway.

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22 hours ago, Dennis117 said:

Alright and I accept that. 

But you have to know that as a foreigner having never been here before, I didn’t know I was inadvertently causing harm. 

My mother is 70 years old and legally living here, that’s the sole reason why i came and stayed here longer. 

 

Anyway thank you for your replies. 

You didn't think you were causing harm by overstaying? That it wouldn't have consequences to accrue unlawful presence in another country

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52 minutes ago, HAVIP IP LAW FIRM said:

There is no problems when you leaving. However, your visa will be cancel since you already overstay second time.

Visa is voided immediately on day 1 of an overstay even if it’s the first time. Surely a “law firm” knows this lol

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8 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

Visa is voided immediately on day 1 of an overstay even if it’s the first time. Surely a “law firm” knows this lol

Looks like an Vietnamese IP law firm...? That's not exactly in the the skill sphere of US immigration. :lol:

Timelines:

ROC:

Spoiler

7/27/20: Sent forms to Dallas lockbox, 7/30/20: Received by USCIS, 8/10 NOA1 electronic notification received, 8/1/ NOA1 hard copy received

AOS:

Spoiler

AOS (I-485 + I-131 + I-765):

9/25/17: sent forms to Chicago, 9/27/17: received by USCIS, 10/4/17: NOA1 electronic notification received, 10/10/17: NOA1 hard copy received. Social Security card being issued in married name (3rd attempt!)

10/14/17: Biometrics appointment notice received, 10/25/17: Biometrics

1/2/18: EAD + AP approved (no website update), 1/5/18: EAD + AP mailed, 1/8/18: EAD + AP approval notice hardcopies received, 1/10/18: EAD + AP received

9/5/18: Interview scheduled notice, 10/17/18: Interview

10/24/18: Green card produced notice, 10/25/18: Formal approval, 10/31/18: Green card received

K-1:

Spoiler

I-129F

12/1/16: sent, 12/14/16: NOA1 hard copy received, 3/10/17: RFE (IMB verification), 3/22/17: RFE response received

3/24/17: Approved! , 3/30/17: NOA2 hard copy received

 

NVC

4/6/2017: Received, 4/12/2017: Sent to Riyadh embassy, 4/16/2017: Case received at Riyadh embassy, 4/21/2017: Request case transfer to Manila, approved 4/24/2017

 

K-1

5/1/2017: Case received by Manila (1 week embassy transfer??? Lucky~)

7/13/2017: Interview: APPROVED!!!

7/19/2017: Visa in hand

8/15/2017: POE

 

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I'll admit, I have personal issues regarding this story.

The OP admits to knowingly breaking the rules once before but was fortunate enough to be given a second chance, given the opportunity to learn from previous mistakes and continue to enjoy the benefits of travel to the U.S.

And then they decide to ignore the laws again.

 

I made that first mistake myself, many years ago. Thanks to that I haven't seen my children in 14 years.

I have applied 3 times since then, asking to be given that second chance. I have zero desire to live in the US, I only want the chance to be able to visit my children but I have been refused 3 times. 

And now the COs have even less reason to believe that someone who's lost their VWP privileges can be trusted to learn from their mistake.

 

OP, I doubt you'll have any issues in leaving the States. But when you do leave, be sure to say your farewells to anything or anyone there that you care about, I doubt you'll ever set foot in the US as a tourist again.

August 2000: We start e-mailing. I'm in Bosnia, she's in Florida

October 29th 2000: She sends me e-mail asking if I would marry her

October 29th 2000(5 seconds later): I say yes

November 2000: She sends me tickets to Orlando for when I get back

December 6th 2000: Return from Bos

December 11th 2000: Fly to Orlando, she meets me at airport

December 22nd 2000: I fly back to UK

January 3rd 2001: She flies to UK (Good times)

Mid February 2001: Pregnancy test Positive

Mid February 2001: She flies back to US

March 2001: Miscarriage, I fly to US on first flight I can get

May 2001: I leave US before my 90 days are up

June 2001: I fly back to US, stopped at airport for questioning as I had only just left

September 2001: Pregnancy test Positive again

September 2001: She falls sick, I make decision to stay to look after her as I am afraid I may have problems getting back in.

April 16th 2002: Our son is born, we start getting stuff together for his passport

March 6th 2003: We leave US for UK as family

Early April 2003: Family troubles make her return to US, I ask Embassy in London about possibilities of returning to US

April 16th 2003: London Embassy informs me that I will be banned from the Visa Waiver Program for 10 years, my little boys first birthday

June 13th 2006: I-129f sent

August 11th 2006: NOA1 Recieved

After our relationship breaks down she admits to me that she had never bothered to start the application process

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