K1 Visa Rejected Due to Lack of Evidence of Relationship (Vietnam)

[daniel_and_lily 40]

1 hour ago, aaron2020 said:

The unknown reason is that you need clearance from the Vietnam consulate/embassy to be able to fly into Vietnam while borders are closed.  While you have a visa, you didn't get the clearance from the Vietnam consulate/embassy to fly in.  That's the problem there.

they're the ones who issued the visa tho

48 minutes ago, aaron2020 said:

You did not front-load your I-129f and that was a mistake.  The US Consulate must consider documents submitted with the I-129f.  They are under no obligation to look at evidence your fiancee brought to her interview.  An interview takes 10 minutes at a window.  There isn't enough time to go through it all.  This is why it is wise to understand the inner workings of the US Consulate HCMC.  FRONT-LOAD.  EVERYONE GOING THROUGH THE K-1 or CR-1 PROCESS SHOULD FRONT-LOAD THEIR PETITIONS.

 

I think this accurate. I relied on rapidvisa to help me here, because I was not sure how it was done.

[SalishSea 16,746]

26 minutes ago, daniel_and_lily said:

they're the ones who issued the visa tho

 

I think this accurate. I relied on rapidvisa to help me here, because I was not sure how it was done.

RapidVisa are useless.  They do not have expertise related to specific consulates.

[daniel_and_lily 40]

I typed up the OF-194 form to make it easier to read for anyone who is curious

 

OF-194_ R2-A blue refusal.pdf

Edited November 20, 2021 by daniel_and_lily

[Rocio0010 5,560]

22 hours ago, daniel_and_lily said:

You're making a lot of assumptions here. This blue paper is not individually customized but it's a generic document. So no, the beneficiary has not been married before.

 

 

We absolutely provided this. Screenshots from chats, printed copies of boarding passes, pictures of us, pictures of me and her family (uncles, aunts, cousins, and siblings), bank statements showing other expenses,  all dated with comments and in chronological order.
I'm not sure why you're painting a picture that we're somehow sloppy here. My fiancé was up until 4am many many nights getting this ready.

 

 

she doesn't have any and she provided this information during the interview

 

What I'm trying to tell you, and everyone else here, is that we tried to give absolutely everything in packet3k. I am pretty sure my fiancé had my divorce papers with her, because I had sent it to her, but she found this to be a very stressful situation, and may simply have forgotten. She was primed by other people that the interview process was difficult.

 

You're just reading what the blue form. Fine, but don't assume we got this form because we were completely lacking. It's not fair at all for you to assume this.
As I've said, this is a very generic refusal form, and it doesn't say what we've missed. That's why we're confused since we brought a lot of paperwork they didn't even look at. I do believe even the divorce papers.

I understand your frustration, but bear in mind that we know nothing about your case other than what you have told us, and what the refusal paper is asking you to submit. 
Best thing to do is to re- read the blue paper again, and provide absolutely everything you can from what they are asking!

[daniel_and_lily 40]

10 minutes ago, ra0010 said:

I understand your frustration, but bear in mind that we know nothing about your case other than what you have told us, and what the refusal paper is asking you to submit. 
Best thing to do is to re- read the blue paper again, and provide absolutely everything you can from what they are asking!

based on the feedback my fiance and I collected, it's because I failed to front-load the I129-F application. I mistakenly relied on rapidvisa to correct any mistakes I made.

[Rocio0010 5,560]

23 minutes ago, daniel_and_lily said:

based on the feedback my fiance and I collected, it's because I failed to front-load the I129-F application. I mistakenly relied on rapidvisa to correct any mistakes I made.

Oh yes. That’s the problem of relying on somebody/ something else 

[trucphong 24]

Vietnam is one of the top visa fraud countries. You can search visa fraud in Vietnam (2013) where US officials were bribed and convicted. There was new event that involved with visa fraud that happened in Texas recently (2019) and 99 people were charged. This is one of the reasons why US officals will scrutinize or even think all applications are not fraud. 

 

The blue sheet questions are really generic questions for all people such as family tree relationships, timeline of relationship, list all relative people that live in US. However, it all depends on what you included in the original package. There are two types of blue sheets that they usually give in Vietnam.

1. R1 type- which they usually believe the relationship but applicant/petitioner forget or misses some form or they need new update tax transcript due to new year which petitioner did not submit at NVC stage. This one is easy to get approval.

2. R2 type- This one usually has a lot of requests on blue sheet about 8 questions +. I had seen someone had 10 -12 questions on it. This usually happens when they are questioning the relationship. I would recommend you to read each question carefully and submit all relevant evidences as possible.

 

I usually frontloaded everything I can even including beneficiaries benefits (401k, stocks, added her to my credit cards authorized user which you can add it) and tax/health insurance which has her names on it (I did CR1 so I can file tax as married jointly and added her to health insurance card).

 

Good luck.

 

[Lemonslice 4,549]

4 hours ago, trucphong said:

Vietnam is one of the top visa fraud countries. You can search visa fraud in Vietnam (2013) where US officials were bribed and convicted. There was new event that involved with visa fraud that happened in Texas recently (2019) and 99 people were charged. This is one of the reasons why US officals will scrutinize or even think all applications are not fraud. 

 

The blue sheet questions are really generic questions for all people such as family tree relationships, timeline of relationship, list all relative people that live in US. However, it all depends on what you included in the original package. There are two types of blue sheets that they usually give in Vietnam.

1. R1 type- which they usually believe the relationship but applicant/petitioner forget or misses some form or they need new update tax transcript due to new year which petitioner did not submit at NVC stage. This one is easy to get approval.

2. R2 type- This one usually has a lot of requests on blue sheet about 8 questions +. I had seen someone had 10 -12 questions on it. This usually happens when they are questioning the relationship. I would recommend you to read each question carefully and submit all relevant evidences as possible.

 

I usually frontloaded everything I can even including beneficiaries benefits (401k, stocks, added her to my credit cards authorized user which you can add it) and tax/health insurance which has her names on it (I did CR1 so I can file tax as married jointly and added her to health insurance card).

 

Good luck.

 

OP's copy states R2, is that what you mean?

 

Edited November 28, 2021 by Lemonslice

[trucphong 24]

9 minutes ago, Lemonslice said:

OP's copy states R2, is that what you mean?

 

Yeah. That is correct. It mentions on top of letter R2-A type of blue sheet. This is what I observed on many blue sheets from Vietnam.

Edited November 28, 2021 by trucphong

[Jack & Anne 26]

On 11/20/2021 at 2:50 PM, daniel_and_lily said:

based on the feedback my fiance and I collected, it's because I failed to front-load the I129-F application. I mistakenly relied on rapidvisa to correct any mistakes I made.

Chiming in here even though I interviewed in India. Had the same issue - my US fiancé did the paperwork without much research and just send in the bare minimum of proof of relationship (just 2 photos of us, flight tickets and visa stamps from our passports). I took proof of relationship at my interview just like your fiancée thinking the officer will go through them. Wrong. I was treated like a criminal, my relationship was ridiculed and was handed a 221g for proof of relationship. BUT I am here in the US now going through AOS. I submitted everything they asked for in that letter and my K1 visa was issued. We had not met for for 17-18 months when I went for the interview - trust me that was not the issue. Just not front-loading was the issue. So hang in there, submit what they asked for and you'll be alright. This will delay the process but it's not insurmountable. 

[Wonderfullymade 6]

Same thing happened to me and my wife. Re file, this time include the divorce papers. Ours cleared the second time.

[aaron2020 11,651]

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[lloy0076 6]

The one thing I've learned through the K1 process (original filing, grant of temporary green card, removal of conditions) is that it always went smoother when we added what we thought was a ridiculous amount of documents to the package or in the last case, the RFE...

[Kev&Viv 38]

Yeah it sounds like it wasn’t front-loaded enough, and there may be something wrong with the divorce decree?  Maybe she already had the certified stamped copy with her at the interview.. maybe it’s something else I don’t know. There are also some documents you should bring that are vietnam specific and good quality documents to front load (or back-load in this case), such as family trees from both sides or signed/notarized affidavits from close family members. Better to have them than not although they may never be looked at… or maybe they were we will never know..  I would definitely make pdf copies of anything you’ve had notarized and immediately mail the original documents to Your fiance. I found a lot of vietnam specific information just searching this website, TONS.  I remember after I submitted our i129f I started digging deep into this website and realized what I submitted was not up to par, although it could have passed a rapid visa audit, it wasn’t country specific. I must say it sucked that we got an rfe (8months later), but it was also a golden opportunity to send the one piece of paper the rfe required, along with additional paperwork as thick as the original i129f so that it could be side-loaded and scanned into the computer before the interview. Being there also helps but that’s not your fault in these times..  never had a problem with scheduling the interview jeez they are almost as long as our noa2 wait. I guess some areas of the process slow down while others speed up..  I remember spending lots of nights and weekends researching and preparing documents that may never be looked at, but looking back I’m glad I did.  Make sure to create another cover letter, maybe write another letter explaining your relationship and updated letters of intent, anything you can add of value will help, even if it seems repetitive. Good luck to you both. 

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