Venezuelan Beneficiary with no passport

[DavidG00 0]

Does anyone know if it's possible to go through the entire process of the K1 VISA (i.e. beneficiary enters USA, gets work permit and applies for Green card) if my beneficiary never gets a passport? He's stuck in Venezuela now, and their passport office (SAIME) is simply not processing passports at all. Many Venezuelans have waited years and still not received a passport. Does anyone have any advice on how to proceed in this situation (e.g. what other approaches can I try if K1 is a dead end? Would marriage VISA somehow be better in this case, etc)? I don't think asylum will work because he can't travel here without a dangerous passage :(. He has applied for the passport, but it's stuck in processing (presumably due to COVID-19 but as I said, many Venezuelans can never get their passport). 

 

Thank you for your help!

David

[SalishSea 17,928]

21 minutes ago, DavidG00 said:

Does anyone know if it's possible to go through the entire process of the K1 VISA (i.e. beneficiary enters USA, gets work permit and applies for Green card) if my beneficiary never gets a passport? He's stuck in Venezuela now, and their passport office (SAIME) is simply not processing passports at all. Many Venezuelans have waited years and still not received a passport. Does anyone have any advice on how to proceed in this situation (e.g. what other approaches can I try if K1 is a dead end? Would marriage VISA somehow be better in this case, etc)? I don't think asylum will work because he can't travel here without a dangerous passage :(. He has applied for the passport, but it's stuck in processing (presumably due to COVID-19 but as I said, many Venezuelans can never get their passport). 

 

Thank you for your help!

David

Unfortunately, he cannot get a visa, or travel to the US, without a passport.

[Ryan H 3,812]

Moved from Progress Reports to Process & Procedures.

[Sparkle Sparkle 914]

Don't think it's possible to leave any country to fly an international route without a passport either. 

[igoyougoduke 1,662]

2 hours ago, DavidG00 said:

Does anyone know if it's possible to go through the entire process of the K1 VISA (i.e. beneficiary enters USA, gets work permit and applies for Green card) if my beneficiary never gets a passport? He's stuck in Venezuela now, and their passport office (SAIME) is simply not processing passports at all. Many Venezuelans have waited years and still not received a passport. Does anyone have any advice on how to proceed in this situation (e.g. what other approaches can I try if K1 is a dead end? Would marriage VISA somehow be better in this case, etc)? I don't think asylum will work because he can't travel here without a dangerous passage :(. He has applied for the passport, but it's stuck in processing (presumably due to COVID-19 but as I said, many Venezuelans can never get their passport). 

 

Thank you for your help!

David

how will they board an airplane without a passport or get a visa ?  you cant apply k1 without a passport 

[Greenbaum 12,259]

6 hours ago, DavidG00 said:

Does anyone know if it's possible to go through the entire process of the K1 VISA (i.e. beneficiary enters USA, gets work permit and applies for Green card) if my beneficiary never gets a passport? He's stuck in Venezuela now, and their passport office (SAIME) is simply not processing passports at all. Many Venezuelans have waited years and still not received a passport. Does anyone have any advice on how to proceed in this situation (e.g. what other approaches can I try if K1 is a dead end? Would marriage VISA somehow be better in this case, etc)? I don't think asylum will work because he can't travel here without a dangerous passage :(. He has applied for the passport, but it's stuck in processing (presumably due to COVID-19 but as I said, many Venezuelans can never get their passport). 

 

Thank you for your help!

David

According to internet sources (link is below) the VZ passports have been extended for five additional years, but in your case that won't help because your beneficiary doesn't already own a passport. New passports, like you opined, are not being issued because of supplies. Till that is cleared up with new inventory they are not issuing passports. There is no work around for this. You are at the mercy of the VZ government unfortunately. This is what will happen when you are in a Socialist country. People think this process with the US and the issuance of visas I can't imagine what it is like if someone wanted to immigrate to VZ. Americans need to count their blessings. 

 

https://www.forum-expat-management.com/posts/26163-venezuela-passport-appointments-suspended-indefinitely

[Limey 551]

3 hours ago, Greenbaum said:

According to internet sources (link is below) the VZ passports have been extended for five additional years, but in your case that won't help because your beneficiary doesn't already own a passport. New passports, like you opined, are not being issued because of supplies. Till that is cleared up with new inventory they are not issuing passports. There is no work around for this. You are at the mercy of the VZ government unfortunately. This is what will happen when you are in a Socialist country. People think this process with the US and the issuance of visas I can't imagine what it is like if someone wanted to immigrate to VZ. Americans need to count their blessings. 

 

https://www.forum-expat-management.com/posts/26163-venezuela-passport-appointments-suspended-indefinitely

There are plenty of socialist countries that have no problems issuing passports. I don't think that's the problem....

[Greenbaum 12,259]

16 minutes ago, Limey said:

There are plenty of socialist countries that have no problems issuing passports. I don't think that's the problem....

You make me laugh. I give the OP where the information can be found, and you contradict my post with no links to your source. I suppose some office working in charge of the supply of materials to create new passports didn't order the materials. That doesn't seem to be a plausible answer. Socialist countries have a much different approach then the rest of the world was my point. History will educate us.

 

Here are the credentials from the website that I provided to the op.

 

Fragomen, Del Rey, Bernsen & Loewy, LLP, Fragomen Global LLP and affiliates, (collectively known as “Fragomen Worldwide”) is the world’s largest firm dedicated to corporate immigration and is recognized as the leading global immigration services provider.

[SunflowerSweet 1,321]

20 minutes ago, Greenbaum said:

You make me laugh. I give the OP where the information can be found, and you contradict my post with no links to your source. I suppose some office working in charge of the supply of materials to create new passports didn't order the materials. That doesn't seem to be a plausible answer. Socialist countries have a much different approach then the rest of the world was my point. History will educate us.

 

Here are the credentials from the website that I provided to the op.

 

Fragomen, Del Rey, Bernsen & Loewy, LLP, Fragomen Global LLP and affiliates, (collectively known as “Fragomen Worldwide”) is the world’s largest firm dedicated to corporate immigration and is recognized as the leading global immigration services provider.

No one is contradicting anything from the link you posted. No one is arguing against the fact that VZ is currently not issuing passports due to materials shortages.

 

The link you posted doesn’t even mention socialism once, that was all your own creative extrapolation. And there are plenty of “socialist” countries where you CAN get passports, just as the previous poster mentioned. 
 

Anyway, all they can really do in this situation is wait. Hopefully “socialism” has a change of heart about their anti-passport material policy. 🙄

[SteveInBostonI130 3,467]

 

4 hours ago, Greenbaum said:

 This is what will happen when you are in a Socialist country.

 

Socialist VZ had no problem issuing passports under the previous leadership.  Perhaps it has less to do with socialism and more to do with incompetent government, whatever their political flavor.

 

Regardless, the current situation is that the OP is stuck in limbo, unfortunately.  

[Greenbaum 12,259]

5 hours ago, MorganandMichael said:

No one is contradicting anything from the link you posted. No one is arguing against the fact that VZ is currently not issuing passports due to materials shortages.

 

The link you posted doesn’t even mention socialism once, that was all your own creative extrapolation. And there are plenty of “socialist” countries where you CAN get passports, just as the previous poster mentioned. 
 

Anyway, all they can really do in this situation is wait. Hopefully “socialism” has a change of heart about their anti-passport material policy. 🙄

The issue that I clearly state is they don't have the materials. They are the only country in the world that are not able to produce a passport. Something to wonder about.

 

The destruction of reason has seen the triumph of ignorance.  

[Limey 551]

1 hour ago, Greenbaum said:

The destruction of reason has seen the triumph of ignorance.  

Ironically, your posts appear to have illustrated this.

 

I waited around 3 months for my US passport. Expedited was listed as 6-8 weeks. In the UK I was able to obtain a passport in around 3 weeks - I could do it same day if I paid extra. If the speed at which a passport can be obtained is a good measure of how well a country functions, the US could learn some lessons from Europe.

Edited November 13, 2020 by Limey

[Lucky2Lucky 2,526]

I’m sorry but how would you expect to get on an international flight?! Never mind where the heck the visa would go.

[Ryan H 3,812]

***The points that are being made below are not to be belabored any further in this thread; there is an appropriate forum for such discussion, this one isn't it.***

 

 

15 hours ago, Greenbaum said:

According to internet sources (link is below) the VZ passports have been extended for five additional years, but in your case that won't help because your beneficiary doesn't already own a passport. New passports, like you opined, are not being issued because of supplies. Till that is cleared up with new inventory they are not issuing passports. There is no work around for this. You are at the mercy of the VZ government unfortunately. This is what will happen when you are in a Socialist country. People think this process with the US and the issuance of visas I can't imagine what it is like if someone wanted to immigrate to VZ. Americans need to count their blessings. 

 

https://www.forum-expat-management.com/posts/26163-venezuela-passport-appointments-suspended-indefinitely

 

11 hours ago, Limey said:

There are plenty of socialist countries that have no problems issuing passports. I don't think that's the problem....

 

10 hours ago, Greenbaum said:

You make me laugh. I give the OP where the information can be found, and you contradict my post with no links to your source. I suppose some office working in charge of the supply of materials to create new passports didn't order the materials. That doesn't seem to be a plausible answer. Socialist countries have a much different approach then the rest of the world was my point. History will educate us.

 

Here are the credentials from the website that I provided to the op.

 

Fragomen, Del Rey, Bernsen & Loewy, LLP, Fragomen Global LLP and affiliates, (collectively known as “Fragomen Worldwide”) is the world’s largest firm dedicated to corporate immigration and is recognized as the leading global immigration services provider.

 

10 hours ago, MorganandMichael said:

No one is contradicting anything from the link you posted. No one is arguing against the fact that VZ is currently not issuing passports due to materials shortages.

 

The link you posted doesn’t even mention socialism once, that was all your own creative extrapolation. And there are plenty of “socialist” countries where you CAN get passports, just as the previous poster mentioned. 
 

Anyway, all they can really do in this situation is wait. Hopefully “socialism” has a change of heart about their anti-passport material policy. 🙄

 

10 hours ago, SteveInBostonI130 said:

 

 

Socialist VZ had no problem issuing passports under the previous leadership.  Perhaps it has less to do with socialism and more to do with incompetent government, whatever their political flavor.

 

Regardless, the current situation is that the OP is stuck in limbo, unfortunately.  

 

4 hours ago, Greenbaum said:

The issue that I clearly state is they don't have the materials. They are the only country in the world that are not able to produce a passport. Something to wonder about.

 

The destruction of reason has seen the triumph of ignorance.  

 

2 hours ago, Limey said:

Ironically, your posts appear to have illustrated this.

 

I waited around 3 months for my US passport. Expedited was listed as 6-8 weeks. In the UK I was able to obtain a passport in around 3 weeks - I could do it same day if I paid extra. If the speed at which a passport can be obtained is a good measure of how well a country functions, the US could learn some lessons from Europe.

 

 

~~~Future posts are only to address the OP's situation without the extraneous commentary.~~~

 

[Greenbaum 12,259]

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Edited November 14, 2020 by Greenbaum