Derek Chauvin found guilty on all counts in the murder of George Floyd

[TBoneTX 43,175]

These theories take my breath away...

[Lemonslice 4,566]

On 4/23/2021 at 12:47 AM, Skyman said:

Just throwing this out there....

If you can't breath  you can't say you can't breath. You can't say anything. 

That is a myth. 

You might be interested in this article: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4186#:~:text=It is true that if,prevent organ damage from hypoxemia.

 

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The volume of an ordinary breath is approximately 400 to 600 mL. When each breath is inhaled, air first fills the upper airway, trachea, and bronchi; speech is generated here, but no gas exchange takes place in this anatomical dead space. Only air that exceeds the volume of this dead space is conducted to the alveoli for gas exchange. Normal speech only requires approximately 50 mL of gas per syllable—thus, stating “I can't breathe” would require 150 mL of gas (5). Anatomical dead space is typically one third the volume of an ordinary breath. George Floyd could have uttered those syllables repeatedly with small breaths that filled only the trachea and bronchi but brought no air to the alveoli, where actual gas exchange happens.

 

Phonation can occur with exhalation alone in the complete absence of inhalation by using the expiratory reserve volume that remains after a normal tidal breath is exhaled. In contrast, adequate gas exchange to support life requires inhalation as well. A 70-kg adult requires 4 to 5 L of air per minute (at rest) to reach the alveoli, where oxygen and carbon dioxide are exchanged with the blood; light muscular activity requires double that, and a person in extremis may require more than 100 L of air per minute (6). If less air reaches the alveoli, there may be devastating cardiopulmonary consequences, including death.

 

The origin of the pernicious myth that speaking signals adequate breathing is unclear but may be an extrapolation from first aid training for choking. Multiple training sources cite the inability to talk as a sign of choking along with other late signs of respiratory compromise, including dusky skin or loss of consciousness (7). It is true that if you cannot move any air you cannot speak. However, the reverse is not true: You can move enough air to produce sound but not be able to breathe enough to sustain the gas exchange needed to prevent organ damage from hypoxemia. It is therefore not surprising that such a person as George Floyd may have been able to both generate the sentence “I can't breathe” and still experience severe air hunger (that is, dyspnea) and decompensate into a state of respiratory failure.

 

This apparent paradox is also consonant with our experiences as pulmonary and critical care clinicians. We all have taken medical histories and even discussed intubation with patients who had rapidly increasing carbon dioxide levels or decreasing oxygen levels and were clearly in respiratory failure. A colleague recalled her child having the ability to scream “I can't breathe” before losing consciousness from respiratory failure during an asthma exacerbation. As care providers, we are trained to prioritize addressing impairments to breathing and circulation above all else. Doing so includes recognizing earlier signs of respiratory failure, such as an increased respiratory rate, tripoding, or using accessory muscles to breathe. Waiting until a person loses the ability to speak may be too late to prevent catastrophic cardiopulmonary collapse.

 

Air hunger is the most uncomfortable and emotionally distressing quality of dyspnea. It directly activates the insular cortex, a primal sensory area of the brain that responds to such basic survival threats as pain, hunger, and thirst (8). Data from studies of war and torture victims show that the sensation of suffocation is the single strongest predictor of posttraumatic stress disorder and can cause more persistent psychological damage than mock execution with a pistol (9). This finding suggests that clinicians have a fundamental responsibility to serve as advocates for persons who report respiratory distress.

 

The use of incorrect physiologic statements to justify the force leading to the deaths of Eric Garner and George Floyd is unacceptable. According to our oath as clinicians, it is our responsibility to the public to aggressively correct such misconceptions to prevent further deaths. However, as human beings, we emphasize that it does not take medical training to inherently understand the profound danger and inhumanity behind forcibly inducing respiratory distress in another person. The persistent use of malignant platitudes in the face of another person's suffering is disturbing. At best, it represents the thoughtless use of heuristic shortcuts; at worst, it indicates deep gaps in empathy, toxic cognitive biases, or malicious intent. We hope that everyone will join us in advocating that all persons who describe respiratory distress receive immediate, serious attention and treatment.

 

[yuna628 9,530]

7 hours ago, Lemonslice said:

That is a myth. 

You might be interested in this article: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4186#:~:text=It is true that if,prevent organ damage from hypoxemia.

 

 

Yep. This is something the defense tried to throw out there and the prosecution pushed back pretty strongly on. It's simply nonsense. If someone is telling you they can't breathe then most likely they are experiencing difficulty breathing and you better be doing something about it.

[sl1pstream 551]

On 4/23/2021 at 12:13 AM, OriTbd said:

Uh...sure ok still waiting for that proof but sure let's just keep repeating this narrative for the heck of it

I'm not going to repost the snuff film that was the original video, but if you've seen that and still think he didn't murder him, you're not really being honest.

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

[TBoneTX 43,175]

It's not pronounced this way, but dyspnea is hyphenated dys-pnea.

It's all Greek to me.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,317]

11 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

Complying with an officer might be a good way to not get killed. Just saying 

[B_J 2,752]

28 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Complying with an officer might be a good way to not get killed. Just saying 

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

12 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Complying with an officer might be a good way to not get killed. Just saying 

So young white men must do a vastly superior job complying with police compared to their non white counterparts.

[TBoneTX 43,175]

All these high-profile dead Black people had one thing in common:  they resisted arrest.

[Dashinka 23,282]

8 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

So young white men must do a vastly superior job complying with police compared to their non white counterparts.

Not sure it is a vastly superior job as the number of white folks in the US killed by police is nearly double.

[B_J 2,752]

8 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

All these high-profile dead Black people had one thing in common:  they resisted arrest.

Tamir Rice and Philando Castile.  Those two didn't seem to involve resisting arrest.  I will never understand how an adult could shoot a kid like Tamir Rice, even if Tamir had a gun in his hand.  The Walter Scott shooting was awful but the cop got 20 years.

 

For the rest, there usually was resisting arrest of some type.  Or else they were participating in a typical good natured knife fight.

[OriZ 3,157]

On 4/26/2021 at 1:50 AM, sl1pstream said:

I'm not going to repost the snuff film that was the original video, but if you've seen that and still think he didn't murder him, you're not really being honest.

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[Bug&Bug 143]

Breonna was sleeping in her house. 

 

I find it weird how for some its all we want big guns and no social responsibility and "freedoms" and flags and to attempt coups to overthrow democratic governments with 0 consequences.

 

But when it comes to police brutality, wich is pretty much the definition of government oppression and terrorism, its ah its ok for you to be murdered by the state. 

[Dashinka 23,282]

37 minutes ago, Bug&Bug said:

Breonna was sleeping in her house. 

 

I find it weird how for some its all we want big guns and no social responsibility and "freedoms" and flags and to attempt coups to overthrow democratic governments with 0 consequences.

 

But when it comes to police brutality, wich is pretty much the definition of government oppression and terrorism, its ah its ok for you to be murdered by the state. 

Wasn't Chauvin convicted?  Btw, government oppression can come in many forms police brutality or over-reach being only one example.  Police still deserve due process unless you think the Feds should remove that right, and if there is evidence for a charge and a court determine a guilty verdict then the system is working, but not every use of force is murder or systemic racism, or whatever other narrative the Left/MSM/Dems are pushing to eliminate the police.  They will get their wish soon as there are police leaving in droves and a lot of help wanted signs out there for people that would rather not deal with the stress.