Today's news has me like 😱

[<3T&M<3 217]

I don't know where to share this, but d@mn 😞

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/now-trump-administration-wants-limit-citizenship-legal-immigrants-n897931

[Ben&Zian 4,397]

1 minute ago, <3T&M<3 said:

I don't know where to share this, but d@mn 😞

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/now-trump-administration-wants-limit-citizenship-legal-immigrants-n897931

 

~sigh~ The colossal bickering thread is located here. Yours will get merged.

 

 

 

[AlexisCC 123]

Just now, <3T&M<3 said:

I don't know where to share this, but d@mn 😞

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/now-trump-administration-wants-limit-citizenship-legal-immigrants-n897931

this will only affect those who use public assistance such as welfare etc...which during the process of becoming a legal immigrant one of the assurances you agree to is that you WILL NOT be a public burden to the country. So essentially its just being enforced now.

[<3T&M<3 217]

5 minutes ago, AlexisCC said:

this will only affect those who use public assistance such as welfare etc...which during the process of becoming a legal immigrant one of the assurances you agree to is that you WILL NOT be a public burden to the country. So essentially its just being enforced now.

It will affect more than just those. It says that if any of the family members (i.e. ME!) has used food stamps, children's medical etc etc then you will be unable (as a beneficiary) unable to obtain residence and citizenship.

This is horrendous. It is punishing all families who have ever relied on the state.

[AlexisCC 123]

Just now, <3T&M<3 said:

It will affect more than just those. It says that if any of the family members (i.e. ME!) has used food stamps, children's medical etc etc then you will be unable (as a beneficiary) unable to obtain residence and citizenship.

This is horrendous. It is punishing all families who have ever relied on the state.

yes, because the government is figuring that if you yourself need assistance, how are you able to maintain someone else and not request the same for them? not saying that i agree with the petitioner falling in that as well because im sure everyone's needed some type of assistance at one point or another. 

[geowrian 22,336]

8 minutes ago, <3T&M<3 said:

It will affect more than just those. It says that if any of the family members (i.e. ME!) has used food stamps, children's medical etc etc then you will be unable (as a beneficiary) unable to obtain residence and citizenship.

That's not what it says at all. Having ever used a public benefit you qualified for does not suddenly make you ineligible to be a sponsor.

And for the small minority of people this would effect, one can use a joint sponsor still for the public charge concern.

 

Anyway, this topic has been covered in multiple threads.

[jetblued 11]

41 minutes ago, AlexisCC said:

this will only affect those who use public assistance such as welfare etc...which during the process of becoming a legal immigrant one of the assurances you agree to is that you WILL NOT be a public burden to the country. So essentially its just being enforced now.

It's still horrible. The fact that they're trying to say that having Marketplace-based insurance under the Affordable Care Act makes one a "public charge" is ridiculous. For example, I intend to apply for citizenship in a couple of months. My records are clean, taxes filed every year, almost perfect credit score, USC kids, decent paying job, the whole nine yards. But I did have marketplace-based (which cost me 1/18th of what it cost to get a plan with my university's plan) insurance during my graduate school days, and what this proposal is attempting to do is to strip me of my qualification to acquire citizenship due to the fact that I received health insurance from the marketplace (something I paid for). Let me also note that I have never received SNAP benefits. At the time, I didn't even mind being uninsured, but my school required health insurance for full-time students and it would've been counter-intuitive to pay $3339 for 11 months of coverage, when I could get coverage on the marketplace for way less than that. So, yes, the hysteria is understandable. This proposal is absurd. 

Edited August 8, 2018 by jetblued

[Apple Bee 272]

4 minutes ago, jetblued said:

It's still horrible. The fact that they're trying to say that having Marketplace-based insurance under the Affordable Care Act makes one a "public charge" is ridiculous. For example, I intend to apply for citizenship in a couple of months. My records are clean, taxes filed every year, almost perfect credit score, USC kids, decent paying job, the whole nine yards. But I did have marketplace-based (which cost me 1/18th of what it cost to get a plan with my university's plan) insurance during my graduate school days, and what this proposal is attempting to do is to strip me of my qualification to acquire citizenship due to the fact that I received health insurance from the marketplace (something I paid for). Let mm also note that I have never received SNAP benefits. At the time, I didn't even mind being uninsured, but my school required health insurance for full-time students and it would've been counter-intuitive to pay $3339 for 11 months of coverage, when I could get coverage on the marketplace for way less than that. So, yes, the hysteria is understandable. This proposal is absurd. 

I understand and agree with you. However you won't find sympathy on VJ. Many members here seem surprisingly pro-Trump and will jump on anyone who disagrees with anything he says or does. It's quite shocking he receives so much support here given the clear disdain he has for immigrants and last I checked, majority of the people on this forum have immigrant spouses/family members *shrug*. 

[<3T&M<3 217]

38 minutes ago, geowrian said:

That's not what it says at all. Having ever used a public benefit you qualified for does not suddenly make you ineligible to be a sponsor.

And for the small minority of people this would effect, one can use a joint sponsor still for the public charge concern.

 

Anyway, this topic has been covered in multiple threads.

YEs that is what the article I read states 

[<3T&M<3 217]

Yes it does state that even the petitioner cannot have used assistance. The poor , or ever-poor, are once again targeted. 

[jetblued 11]

6 minutes ago, PersaisX said:

I understand and agree with you. However you won't find sympathy on VJ. Many members here seem surprisingly pro-Trump and will jump on anyone who disagrees with anything he says or does. It's quite shocking he receives so much support here given the clear disdain he has for immigrants and last I checked, majority of the people on this forum have immigrant spouses/family members *shrug*. 

Exactly. Stockholm syndrome or something. But I'm not seeking sympathy, I'm just trying to point out how vacuous some of the arguments defending the proposal are, but we're all entitled to our own opinion. My case is pretty simple, if I apply for USC and get approved, GOOD. If they deny it because I received marketplace-based insurance at some point NOT GOOD. There's not much more I can do about that other than to probably limit my investment here and channel somewhere else. 

[TBoneTX 43,422]

For actual and potential reasons of bickering and unnecessary worry, this thread is locked now and is not to be restarted or referred to elsewhere.  The ongoing thread in the Current Events forum has also been locked.  No proposal of this nature, even if it proceeds, can possibly be made retroactive.