Need help on good case building.

[<3T&M<3 217]

11 hours ago, John & Rose said:

Things are a little different in the African countries due to high fraud rates.  They will want to see the couple with family and friends so the CO can see that family is involved.  They need to have a lot of front loaded information because of the fraud denial rates there.  We are luckier and don't need to do that.  They have an uphill battle and the OP has filed before.  That is why we are pushing the over the top proof of relationship.

 

You are very correct that 80% of the time front loading creates more challenges than it solves but in this case they have no real choice.

80% of the time front loading creates MORE challenges than it solves?? Really? This is the first time I have heard this. I front-loaded mine with quite a bit of things.....

Should I be concerned now?

[John & Rose 7,237]

1 minute ago, TinaMah said:

80% of the time front loading creates MORE challenges than it solves?? Really? This is the first time I have heard this. I front-loaded mine with quite a bit of things.....

Should I be concerned now?

No. You shouldn’t be concerned. It is what it is. When there is too much front loading the adjudicators have a tendency to look much closer because they sometimes feel too much evidence can mean a fake and manufactured relationship. In the I-129F all they need to see is that you have met once in the two years before filing. If it takes a lot of papers to prove you met once there may be an issue. More proof is required later but front loading the I-129f (in most cases) is looked on as negative. 

[<3T&M<3 217]

9 minutes ago, John & Rose said:

No. You shouldn’t be concerned. It is what it is. When there is too much front loading the adjudicators have a tendency to look much closer because they sometimes feel too much evidence can mean a fake and manufactured relationship. In the I-129F all they need to see is that you have met once in the two years before filing. If it takes a lot of papers to prove you met once there may be an issue. More proof is required later but front loading the I-129f (in most cases) is looked on as negative. 

I wish I would read this before. I was told a dozen times to front-load it because it can make it easier at the interview stage....

I guess I cannot worry about it now

I am beginning to realize that there are many different opinions about this situation and there is no right answer.

We have a short dating history so perhaps front-loading with my flight information for my next two trips was actually wise. I also sent in a printout of all our video chats and a screenshot of the amount of texts we've sent. Also a letter from my mother that just tells that she is happy and accepting of my guy.

 

C'est la vie

[John & Rose 7,237]

2 minutes ago, TinaMah said:

I wish I would read this before. I was told a dozen times to front-load it because it can make it easier at the interview stage....

I guess I cannot worry about it now

I am beginning to realize that there are many different opinions about this situation and there is no right answer.

We have a short dating history so perhaps front-loading with my flight information for my next two trips was actually wise. I also sent in a printout of all our video chats and a screenshot of the amount of texts we've sent. Also a letter from my mother that just tells that she is happy and accepting of my guy.

 

C'est la vie

If it is a real relationship you have nothing to worry about. That is a common misconception. The I-129F at USCIS is only concerned with meeting once. Same with the interview. At AOS you will need proof of the ongoing relationship. Some high fraud embassies also have more stringent requirements but basically all you need to receive a K-1 visa is proof that you met once in the two years prior to filing. 

[Orangesapples 1,954]

5 minutes ago, TinaMah said:

I wish I would read this before. I was told a dozen times to front-load it because it can make it easier at the interview stage....

I guess I cannot worry about it now

I am beginning to realize that there are many different opinions about this situation and there is no right answer.

We have a short dating history so perhaps front-loading with my flight information for my next two trips was actually wise. I also sent in a printout of all our video chats and a screenshot of the amount of texts we've sent. Also a letter from my mother that just tells that she is happy and accepting of my guy.

 

C'est la vie

It's the first time I've heard of that. Front loading never hurts. 

[TNJ17 1,329]

You don’t need to send pictures of family and friends unless BOTH of you are in them. Only send pictures where both of you are in. Only send receipts and such that are for both of you. 

[John & Rose 7,237]

41 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

It's the first time I've heard of that. Front loading never hurts. 

We got that information from someone who was actually an adjudicator who came here for a q&a.  I will still go with the guy who’s job it was to review these petitions over your opinion. No offense but over front loading almost always hurts. It makes them question if the relationship is manufactured and not bona fide. 

[O&GForever 387]

What works for some countries doesn’t work for others. In some countries, you can submit very little and easily be approved. In others, like Ghana where the OP is going through, it requires so much more...and at the beginning. 

 

Speaking as as someone who has gone through the Ghana embassy twice and knows many who have, frontloading is a necessity. Quite often this embassy makes up its mind before the interview. That is why people from high fraud countries must frontload their case so the CO will see evidence ahead of time. 

 

My husband and I have a very genuine and solid relationship, yet our K1 was denied. I know many others who have experienced the same heartache. 

 

We frontloaded our CR1 Case and were approved in 10 months with no problem. I also added more during the NVC and the interview. 

Edited March 3, 2018 by O&GForever

[Boiler 43,489]

You visited once for 2 weeks.

[OlayemiLoray 172]

14 hours ago, John & Rose said:

Things are a little different in the African countries due to high fraud rates.  They will want to see the couple with family and friends so the CO can see that family is involved.  They need to have a lot of front loaded information because of the fraud denial rates there.  We are luckier and don't need to do that.  They have an uphill battle and the OP has filed before.  That is why we are pushing the over the top proof of relationship.

 

You are very correct that 80% of the time front loading creates more challenges than it solves but in this case they have no real choice.

You are very much correct sir...Dealing with countries such as Nigeria, Ghana, and any other high fraud countries there is a lot we have to prove to show a bonafide and genuine relatinship, so OP you done right by submitting all evidence mentioned above...Wishing you well on your journey!

[Orangesapples 1,954]

3 hours ago, John & Rose said:

No. You shouldn’t be concerned. It is what it is. When there is too much front loading the adjudicators have a tendency to look much closer because they sometimes feel too much evidence can mean a fake and manufactured relationship. In the I-129F all they need to see is that you have met once in the two years before filing. If it takes a lot of papers to prove you met once there may be an issue. More proof is required later but front loading the I-129f (in most cases) is looked on as negative. 

Could you provide a link? 

[<3T&M<3 217]

2 hours ago, John & Rose said:

We got that information from someone who was actually an adjudicator who came here for a q&a.  I will still go with the guy who’s job it was to review these petitions over your opinion. No offense but over front loading almost always hurts. It makes them question if the relationship is manufactured and not bona fide. 

That's really awful.... I guess I feel it's a bit harsh. I'm not sure why - on a visa help site - 100% of the information I have received has been that front-loading is a good thing. I'm not picking at you, I'm just disappointed that I have not heard this yet and my petition is sent in. I took the advice of many people I have spoken to here and you are the first one who has said this.

 

 

[TBoneTX 43,079]

4 hours ago, John & Rose said:

If it is a real relationship you have nothing to worry about. That is a common misconception. The I-129F at USCIS is only concerned with meeting once. Same with the interview. At AOS you will need proof of the ongoing relationship. Some high fraud embassies also have more stringent requirements but basically all you need to receive a K-1 visa is proof that you met once in the two years prior to filing. 

 

3 hours ago, John & Rose said:

We got that information from someone who was actually an adjudicator who came here for a q&a.  I will still go with the guy who’s job it was to review these petitions over your opinion. No offense but over front loading almost always hurts. It makes them question if the relationship is manufactured and not bona fide. 

The bolded items are among the worst, most incorrect, and most reckless advice ever offered on VisaJourney.

The standards for passing the petition phase (USCIS) are far lower than those for visas at the consulates.

The consular officers (COs) look for evidence of a bona fide relationship.

This evidence cannot be determined merely from a petition and a letter of intent.

Enough evidence must be included in the petition package to convince a CO, in concert with the visa interview.

Applicants have brought evidence to the interview that COs have refused to look at.

We've had post after post after post over the years from people who underestimated the consular phase.

The COs hold 100% power over the progression of the immigration process.

What happens at the powderpuff Manila embassy has absolutely ZERO to do with reality elsewhere.  ZERO!

Do not -- do NOT! -- heed blanket advice such as the above poster puts forth.

Edited March 3, 2018 by TBoneTX

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To be clear, the Q&A session that John is referring to was from about 10 years ago I think, and I haven't gone back to read it but from what I remember, it actually says that front loaded applications might take longer because adjudicators get through the 'easier' thin files first....

To the OP and also to @TinaMah - don't worry - front loading is absolutely the right thing to do in 95% of cases.  Mine was heavily frontloaded, and I got my visa on hand yesterday, and will be flying to the US forever on the 13th March, so take it from me, it doesn't hurt to front load your petition.

Best of luck.

[ChuAni 1,191]

7 hours ago, OlayemiLoray said:

...Dealing with countries such as Nigeria, Ghana and any other high fraud countries there is a lot we have to prove to show a bonafide and genuine relatinship, so OP you done right by submitting all evidence mentioned above...Wishing you well on your journey!

 

8 hours ago, O&GForever said:

That is why people from high fraud countries must frontload their case so the CO will see evidence ahead of time. 

 

My husband and I have a very genuine and solid relationship, yet our K1 was denied.  

Hello!

 

Every case is different from another case. 

 

1) Actually, Applicants mustn't frontload their case to prove a Bona-fide Relationship at the Interview.

 

2) Applicants from these Countries don't have a lot to show to prove a Bona-fide Relationship at the Interview.

 

As of last week, up-to 3 Applicants got their visa, approved at the Interview at the USEM, Nigeria.

One of the Applicants visited once, submitted 6 photos and just had a screenshot of social media Chat. They were approved straight up.

 

Generally, COs try to look closer when you try so hard to prove that your Relationship is bona-fide.

 

Just get and have the required documents and evidence needed.

Pray fervently and answer the Interview Questions.