Missouri man who guarded home with rifle reveals that 'rumor is' he and wife will be 'indicted shortly'

[Dashinka 23,234]

7 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

"witnesses have said the protesters were peaceful and did not approach the McCloskeys or go onto the lawn of the “Midwestern palazzo” where they live."

 

 

Self serving witnesses?  Yes, all these BLM protesters are oh so peaceful.  Just ask Seattle and Portland.

[90DayFinancier 910]

5 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Self serving witnesses?  Yes, all these BLM protesters are oh so peaceful.  Just ask Seattle and Portland.

You cannot run out on your lawn and point a weapon a people on a sidewalk. What were they trying to accomplish? What if a weapon accidentally discharged? 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,315]

10 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

The gate was unlocked and seemed to swing on it's hinges effectively. The couple was obviously overwhelmed by the potential threat and overreacted. Your own article established that.

You mean this gate 

 

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

Just now, 90DayFinancier said:

You cannot run out on your lawn and point a weapon a people on a sidewalk. What were they trying to accomplish? What if a weapon accidentally discharged? 

It was a private neighborhood and they were on the sidewalk outside of their house in a private neighborhood with a gate

[Ban Hammer 12,835]

16 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

"witnesses have said the protesters were peaceful and did not approach the McCloskeys or go onto the lawn of the “Midwestern palazzo” where they live."

 

 

it's a straw man to claim they did not go onto the lawn....

 

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“This is all private property. There are no public sidewalks or public streets,” McCloskey said. “We were told that we would be killed, our home burned and our dog killed. We were all alone facing an angry mob.”

https://www.foxnews.com/us/armed-st-louis-rioters-threatened-couple-guns-attorney

 

[90DayFinancier 910]

1 minute ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

It was a private neighborhood and they were on the sidewalk outside of their house in a private neighborhood with a gate

But the street was not their property. It was common. Again was pointing a weapon wise and effective in this case? When is it ok to point a weapon? They were overreacting and someone could be hurt. At one point he had the weapon pointing toward his wife.

 

 

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

13 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

But the street was not their property. It was common. Again was pointing a weapon wise and effective in this case? When is it ok to point a weapon? They were overreacting and someone could be hurt. At one point he had the weapon pointing toward his wife.

 

Sorry but if it is a private community then it is not a public street at this point in time. Oh they definitely overreacted by pointing their firearms at people especially because they are so bad in regards to muzzle discipline. 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

4 hours ago, Dashinka said:

You might be forgetting that the mob broke down a gate to get onto private property, and made many threats which were also caught on camera/audio.  Now if the prosecutor excuses the mob for trespassing, then it seems very hypocritical to prosecute these folks.

 

     I'm not forgetting that. I'm pointing out a misconception. A private street or yard is not equitable to a dwelling as it pertains to the castle doctrine. If you go out into the street to "defend" yourself, the same legal protections don't exist as they would if you were defending against trespassers attempting to get inside the home. 

 

  If one of the trespassers made a legitimate threat or attempt to move towards the home, then the owners have legitimate reason to defend themselves. If they are being charged, it means the prosecutor has no evidence that such a threat actually existed.  

[90DayFinancier 910]

27 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

You mean this gate 

 

Not sure, this video shows it not broken. Maybe that happened when folks ran away from the maniac with the weapon.

 

 

[yuna628 9,528]

29 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Sorry but if it is a private community then it is not a public street at this point in time. Oh they definitely overreacted by pointing their firearms at people especially because they are so bad in regards to muzzle discipline. 

There is... well, I'll just come out and say it. The homeowners have a track record of being crazy, and have for years (this is still ongoing) been in dispute about the property where that gate is and the public sidewalk. They've gone as far as moving the 'private property sign' and it's my understanding the gate was put up during the dispute. They have attempted to sue people calmly walking within their rights down the sidewalk before. The claim that they were walking on this property and breached a gate, which we do not know is legitimately true, is all a part to try and back up their claims of false ownership of the property which they are in litigation for (and will likely lose). They are known for filing so many frivolous lawsuits the neighborhood does not care for them at all. And yeah... who just comes out of their home threatening people like that with fingers on trigger?

[sl1pstream 551]

1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

They are known for filing so many frivolous lawsuits the neighborhood does not care for them at all. And yeah... who just comes out of their home threatening people like that with fingers on trigger?

They also *actually* destroyed someone else's private property when he smashed someone else's beehives in 2013.

https://www.insider.com/st-louis-couple-threatened-protesters-with-guns-made-children-cry-2020-7

 

[yuna628 9,528]

5 minutes ago, sl1pstream said:

They also *actually* destroyed someone else's private property when he smashed someone else's beehives in 2013.

https://www.insider.com/st-louis-couple-threatened-protesters-with-guns-made-children-cry-2020-7

 

Yep absolutely... nuts what they did to the Jewish Center. Also wow just.. absolutely.... https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/portland-place-couple-who-confronted-protesters-have-a-long-history-of-not-backing-down/article_281d9989-373e-53c3-abcb-ecd0225dd287.html

[laylalex 7,245]

5 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Yep absolutely... nuts what they did to the Jewish Center. Also wow just.. absolutely.... https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/portland-place-couple-who-confronted-protesters-have-a-long-history-of-not-backing-down/article_281d9989-373e-53c3-abcb-ecd0225dd287.html

I read that last night. Shocking. These are entitled people who try again and again to trample on others' rights through the use of lawsuits which more often than not seem like they fail. They alienated his entire side of the family through greed. And we're to believe the people who said the gate was open/unlocked are self-serving witnesses but these jumpy nitwits aren't? 

[yuna628 9,528]

1 minute ago, laylalex said:

I read that last night. Shocking. These are entitled people who try again and again to trample on others' rights through the use of lawsuits which more often than not seem like they fail. They alienated his entire side of the family through greed. And we're to believe the people who said the gate was open/unlocked are self-serving witnesses but these jumpy nitwits aren't? 

It wouldn't matter if it was a protester, or a mailman, or a jogger, or a child... they would sue anyone walking on the disputed property which is not theirs to begin with. They stepped it up a notch now, and have the 15 minutes of fame they wanted. They can make all sorts of claims to try and cover really bad behavior with a weapon, but I really wish people would see through this stuff. It's one thing when someone is trying to legit defend property from being destroyed, but there's no evidence here. It seems to me this is all part of an opportunity to get attention and continue to stretch out a lawsuit that has gone on for years.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

They're not defending "their property", they're defending themselves and their family. There's no question that it's legal. There's no question why they were outside on their property with the weapons drawn after the riots that happened. There's also no question that these so-called "protesters" had no problem illegally trespassing in a private neighborhood, so it's fair to assume that they'd equally have no problem trespassing on the McCloskey's property. The McCloskeys feared what any reasonable person would fear when seeing a mob like that, that their property would be destroyed, their home torched, and them and their family burned alive. They have every right to protect against that, and thus why they've rightfully never apologized, they have nothing to apologize for, they did nothing wrong beyond point their weapons at people they didn't intend to immediately shoot.

 

All this other stuff said about them is merely trying to set a narrative against them as if conflating this for that makes what they did on their own property illegal or not reasonable. It was reasonable. The other issues presented here don't matter.

Edited July 15, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds