B1 rejected twice, implications and wait time for B2 (merged 3)

[ineedadisplayname 443]

23 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

Right so he is lying about where he works, what he does and what he plans to do? That’s quite a conclusion to get to based on what’s been presented here. 

 

Also, if an applicant does lie, plain bull**** that it’s “not their fault”. I would not lie in a visa interview because a company told me to. You seem very knowledgeable on all this by the way, as well as defensive about the lying applicants you talk about .... hmmm.

And yes I have been offered jobs where I would be sent to the USA on a B1 for 3-6 months depending on what the actual POE stamp would look like. And be prepared a.k.a coached for the interview by the company....

 

I was not stupid to take it, but learned enough about how it works.

 

Also if you think logically, if he is a high level exec most likely he would not be here complaining, but the company would have the lawyer preparing all the documents he needs.

Anyway we are going off topic, so from my part I finished discussing it.

 

 

[SusieQQQ 11,584]

55 minutes ago, ineedadisplayname said:

Wooow.

U got to the wrong conclusions bout what i said. 

I did not say he lied where he works....

And yes a lot of ppl do what the company tells them. 

Then you weren’t paying attention to where he said he works, preferring to throw wild accusations around.

[SB5130 88]

11 hours ago, carmel34 said:

Your stated purpose for wanting a visa was too generic and too long.  Next time try for more specific (dates, places, names, addresses) and shorter (a few weeks not three months).  No plans at all for 90 days made them suspicious.

 

agree with this. 

 

I had B1 approved in 2014 before I had another B1/B2 approved in 2015. Both visas are for corporate training under different projects.

 

Prior to my interview, my company provided me with the following documents:

- airline confirmed reservation (note: reservation and NOT a purchased ticket)

- hotel confirmed reservation 

- detailed trip plan (dates/duration of activity/weekly plan)

- invitation letter signed by company US counterpart

- guarantee letter signed by local managing director

[Crazy Cat 39,258]

9 hours ago, cd37 said:

It happens all the time atleast in engineering field if you are in customer support and you have to go onsite to resolve issue which can be 3 to 6 months long assignment at customers site but definitely not for meetings for three months. 

That is very different from the picture painted by the OP.  The CO , imo, was rightfully suspicious based on the lack of specifics concerning the business trip.  I am very familiar with going on-site for technical, go-live support.  I've done it many times.  That is far from what the OP described.  Specific support is different from the generic answers given by the OP.  

[Crazy Cat 39,258]

9 hours ago, ineedadisplayname said:

He is probably going to work for 3 months on site at the client's location. If admitted for 6 months at the POE might stay longer....

At least that is what I thought right away.... Seen it before... (Doesn't matter his nationality)

 

That is not what he said.....He gave no specifics.  He gave generic answers which could have seen as just roaming around for 3 months.......

[Boiler 43,437]

B is normally good for a 6 month entry do wondering why you are only looking to go for 3?

[cd37 229]

6 hours ago, missileman said:

That is very different from the picture painted by the OP.  The CO , imo, was rightfully suspicious based on the lack of specifics concerning the business trip.  I am very familiar with going on-site for technical, go-live support.  I've done it many times.  That is far from what the OP described.  Specific support is different from the generic answers given by the OP.  

Yea thats what I said in my last sentence that not for meetings for three months. I dont think we are in disagreement here.

[Crazy Cat 39,258]

4 minutes ago, cd37 said:

Yea thats what I said in my last sentence that not for meetings for three months. I dont think we are in disagreement here.

I agree that we are in agreement...😁

[lostcause 0]

On 6/1/2019 at 5:45 AM, ElDiablo said:

You sound very desperate to enter the US. How come you suddenly want a visitor visa after being denied for a B1?

 

Something doesn't add up and the CO will see that as well.

Even if my business visa was rejected and I cant attend meetings there now, I would still want to travel to USA for tourism and this is not desperation. But I am not sure what will the CO think about it. In fact my company's mistake to not give me all the documents might backfire on me applying for tourist visa. Thus, I wanted to know what should I do to apply for the tourist visa and after how much time should I apply?

 

Under section 214(b), they say there should be change in personal circumstances before I apply for the visa again. What is the meaning of change in personal circumstances? 

[Daphne . 1,678]

That could be anything:

The amount of ties (or lack thereof) to your home country?

Maybe previous visa's or many visa applications in your past already (not sure)?

Other family members already living in The States?

The company that you work for might not seem legit enough? (given the poorly prepared visa application)?

 

Did you not get any clarification on the specifics of the personal circumstances when you got denied? You had an interview, correct?

 

Edited June 5, 2019 by Daphne K

[Crazy Cat 39,258]

5 hours ago, lostcause said:

Under section 214(b), they say there should be change in personal circumstances before I apply for the visa again. What is the meaning of change in personal circumstances? 

It means a change which will convince the Consulate Officer that you will not stay in the US.  It means a change which will demonstrate stronger ties to your country.

[lostcause 0]

20 minutes ago, Daphne K said:

That could be anything:

The amount of ties (or lack thereof) to your home country?

Maybe previous visa's or many visa applications in your past already (not sure)?

Other family members already living in The States?

The company that you work for might not seem legit enough? (given the poorly prepared visa application)?

 

Did you not get any clarification on the specifics of the personal circumstances when you got denied? You had an interview, correct?

 

The only reply I got was - since you are staying for long you might be involved in an illegal activity we might not know due to the lack of an itinerary.

[arken 4,197]

5 hours ago, lostcause said:

Even if my business visa was rejected and I cant attend meetings there now, I would still want to travel to USA for tourism and this is not desperation. But I am not sure what will the CO think about it. In fact my company's mistake to not give me all the documents might backfire on me applying for tourist visa. Thus, I wanted to know what should I do to apply for the tourist visa and after how much time should I apply?

 

Under section 214(b), they say there should be change in personal circumstances before I apply for the visa again. What is the meaning of change in personal circumstances? 

I would suggest you apply for B1 again with detailed plan from your employer on what you’ll be doing in those 3 months. May be it gets approved after the CO sees the legit reason. It also shows that the business trip is important and your employer really wants you to go there for business sake. If it gets approved, it will probably look good for your future personal visit application. Worst case, one B1 or two B1 denial will have same effect in future imo.

 

Leaving it behind may just seem like you just tried it without an actual business necessity, for your personal purpose.

Edited June 5, 2019 by arken

[lostcause 0]

3 hours ago, arken said:

I would suggest you apply for B1 again with detailed plan from your employer on what you’ll be doing in those 3 months. May be it gets approved after the CO sees the legit reason. It also shows that the business trip is important and your employer really wants you to go there for business sake. If it gets approved, it will probably look good for your future personal visit application. Worst case, one B1 or two B1 denial will have same effect in future imo.

 

Leaving it behind may just seem like you just tried it without an actual business necessity, for your personal purpose.

Would it really seem as personal purpose even though i had presented letters and a salary statement from my employer?

 

Do they assume applicants get them forged by the company?

 

In the case the company retries and tells me to apply for 2 months or lesser now, would it raise other kind of suspicions?

[geowrian 22,335]

4 minutes ago, lostcause said:

Do they assume applicants get them forged by the company?

I wouldn't go as far to say they assume they are forged, but more of how would they verify the documents in the few minutes during the interview?