Persuing a K1 Visa after being denied F1 with me as a sponsor?

[Zoeeeeeee 795]

23 hours ago, sbny90 said:

Started dating a Dominican girl here in NYC last year. Since then I was intrigued with Dominican women, learned quite a bit of spanish, had a ton of fun.

For (removed) and giggles I made a profile on a popular Dominican dating website and was receiving 15+ messages a day. A lot of gold digger types and others that I did not have much interest for. Recieved a message from one girl that had a lot of similiar interests. Went back and forth with text messages for a couple of days before she asked me to facetime. Initially she did not beleive I was as young as I was until the video chat.

We immediately clicked, started talking 2 hours every night and a couple weeks later I decided why not go and meet her, ive been wanting to visit DR anyway and just got my passport.

She works at the airport I flew to. Landed, met her and one of her friends after she got off work. Took a shuttle van to a well known hotel in the city. Both had one of the best times we ever had that weekend. Explored the city, had a lot of fun. Felt like we knew each other for a long time.

Told her I wanted her to come visit NY. She exaplained to me it's really not that easy. Again, this is when I was very ignorant to the topic of immigration. She's always wanted to study english in the US. Week later I proposed the Idea of maybe coming to study here for a few months. My income is comfortable and the tuition for the school was surprisingly cheap. School recommended we apply for a year, looks better on paper and i would not have to pay for the entire year if I wanted to just do a few months.

Started the process, booked another ticket to visit. I-20 happened to be ready just before my trip. Got denied, yada yada....

Yes lol, I can absolutely understand how this situation might look peculiar with the short duration of time. In fact it's completely taken me by surprise. Before I met her I actually did not see myself having a serious relationship anytime soon. However, for me, she fits the description of the ideal woman that's always been in the back of my mind. Beleive me, I am also shocked that I am in this position. But it just happened, it was not something that was planned for. To this day we speak for ~2 hrs a night and all throughout the day. I've tried finding a reason why I might be being taken for a ride. I cannot find one. The doubtful comments are very much expected and I understand why I am receiving them. I know exactly what this looks like from the outside. I am not concerned about any opinions about the validity of the relationship or seriousness, but I am asking a community for opinions on the topics of visa's, a community who im sure has much greater predicaments than I do and a community that might not take my situation seriously so I guess i owe an explanation of the incredibly short duration.

Admittedly, I do have somewhat of an impatient nature, but from my perspective everything makes sense to me and the experience i have had with other women makes me feel stronger about this one. I dont want to waste time and I feel like I am going in the right direction persuing this.

Hope that clears up any of your curiosities. Thanks for all the input so far!

I’m not trying to be negative about your relationship by sending this, but just wanted to offer some possible reasons as to why you could be being taken for a ride:

 

You live in America. 

 

That’s it. There are stories on here almost every single day about American citizens being convinced they’ve met the love of their life, only for that love to leave them as soon as they get their green card. Not only is this no doubt emotionally traumatising for those people, it can also be financially destructive, as you sign an affidavit of support before your partner emigrates, saying you will support them financially for many years, regardless of whether they choose to stay with you. There’s a guy on here who’s lost his home due to exactly this.

 

The reason it is so hard for people to be granted K1 visas in MENA countries is because visa-shopping is a known tactic - because for many people in those countries, America promises a new life, with many benefits that staying in their home countries would never offer.

 

To give an example, whenever my mother visits Morocco, she has men in their 20s hit on her, pretty much non-stop. She’s 62 - old enough to be their grandma - and she looks it! Somehow it’s hard to believe that she’s their pin-up type... (please note, my mum is very quick to tell these guys to leave her alone).

 

So, the fact that you live in America is reason enough - you’ve already said your girlfriend has always wanted to study English in US - you provide an ability to do that. The fact that you’ve said you’re well paid only makes it a more attractive prospect, I’m sure.

 

Please don’t take this as me doubting your relationship - for every false relationship or person that’s conned on here, there are several others that are genuine. But you 100% need to be confident that yours is genuine before agreeing to marry, and in such a short space of time, is that really possible? As someone mentioned above, suggesting you move there is a good test...but not rushing into anything is also a good idea. Are you at a stage in your relationship where you’d feel comfortable and trusting to withdraw all your savings, your 401K, your prized possessions, leave them on the table and say “help yourself”...because that’s kind of what you’re doing when you sign the affidavit and get married...

Edited May 26, 2019 by Unlockable

[Roel 7,191]

41 minutes ago, Zoeeeeeee said:

I’m not trying to be negative about your relationship by sending this, but just wanted to offer some possible reasons as to why you could be being taken for a ride:

 

You live in America. 

 

That’s it. There are stories on here almost every single day about American citizens being convinced they’ve met the love of their life, only for that love to leave them as soon as they get their green card. Not only is this no doubt emotionally traumatising for those people, it can also be financially destructive, as you sign an affidavit of support before your partner emigrates, saying you will support them financially for many years, regardless of whether they choose to stay with you. There’s a guy on here who’s lost his home due to exactly this.

 

The reason it is so hard for people to be granted K1 visas in MENA countries is because visa-shopping is a known tactic - because for many people in those countries, America promises a new life, with many benefits that staying in their home countries would never offer.

 

To give an example, whenever my mother visits Morocco, she has men in their 20s hit on her, pretty much non-stop. She’s 62 - old enough to be their grandma - and she looks it! Somehow it’s hard to believe that she’s their pin-up type... (please note, my mum is very quick to tell these guys to leave her alone).

 

So, the fact that you live in America is reason enough - you’ve already said your girlfriend has always wanted to study English in US - you provide an ability to do that. The fact that you’ve said you’re well paid only makes it a more attractive prospect, I’m sure.

 

Please don’t take this as me doubting your relationship - for every false relationship or person that’s conned on here, there are several others that are genuine. But you 100% need to be confident that yours is genuine before agreeing to marry, and in such a short space of time, is that really possible? As someone mentioned above, suggesting you move there is a good test...but not rushing into anything is also a good idea. Are you at a stage in your relationship where you’d feel comfortable and trusting to withdraw all your savings, your 401K, your prized possessions, leave them on the table and say “help yourself”...because that’s kind of what you’re doing when you sign the affidavit and get married...

Yeah I mean...

 

"Hey, I'm American and I'm offering you free housing, free food and free education in the US. Wanna chat?"

[JC&BS 75]

If she wants, there is a much simpler way to learn English. She can go on italki dot com or hinative app to learn w native speakers. Can be done at home. 

[Just Observing 34]

I am a bit surprised folks are saying the F1 should not affect the K1. I mean applying for a K1 right after a failed F1 if nothing at all should make a reasonable person (read consular officer) doubt the genuineness of the fiancée relationship especially when the relationship is so new. 

 

And we we all know fiancé visas have lower approval rates among immigrant applications and can be denied for virtually the flimsiest of reasons. 

 

The F1 doesn’t make her ineligible however it will invite more scrutiny and raised eyebrows, IMO. Altogether I am very doubtful this application will be successful.

Edited May 26, 2019 by Just Observing

[Ash.1101 1,755]

5 minutes ago, Just Observing said:

I am a bit surprised folks are saying the F1 should not affect the K1. I mean applying for a K1 right after a failed F1 if nothing at all should make a reasonable person (read consular officer) doubt the genuineness of the fiancée relationship especially when the relationship is so new. 

 

And we we all know fiancé visas have lower approval rates among immigrant applications and can be denied for virtually the flimsiest of reasons. 

 

The F1 doesn’t make her ineligible however it will invite more scrutiny and raised eyebrows, IMO. Altogether I am very doubtful this application will be successful.

 

I’m interested in this as well. The OP says he wants to explain and that he can do this and that but at the end of the day it’s her interview, and the OP didn't seem to realize that he couldn’t sponsor her for schooling.

 

 

I would tread carefully.

 

I agree with what someone else posted, say you’re willing to move to her country and start a life with her. See how she reacts after a few weeks.

[Loren Y 2,732]

Tons, and I mean tons of PI ( Private investigators) in the DR. For the price of the K1 application they will follow her for a week and tell you literally everything she is doing. You will know when she drops a deucer with date and time stamps, probably even photos if you request it. I had my fiancee investigated for a few weeks to make sure everything was on the up and up, and everything seems to have worked out fine. I have never told her, and will take it to the grave with me, but it is cheap insurance. I did the same thing for my best friend from high school who was interested in what looked like a nice girl, supposedly worked in a factory, but there were some inconsistencies with her when we both were in the country together and I met her. My now wife agreed with me that something seemed amiss with her. Hired a PI to find out she didn't work in a factory, worked as a Bar girl and was stringing along upwards of 10-12 " Boyfriends" for money. She was bringing in a small fortune ( I was impressed, made your 200k a year look like welfare wages), so you have to be careful. Never trust anyone, I repeat, anyone. it's sad this is the way the world is, but it is, no going back. Be careful out there, best of luck, and " Live Large".

[SalishSea 16,776]

11 hours ago, killadocg23 said:

I still think my suggestion of telling her that they should live in Dominica instead of the states first should be on the lists

Dominica and Dominican Republic are two completely separate countries.

[mushroomspore 3,043]

19 hours ago, sbny90 said:

Started dating a Dominican girl here in NYC last year. Since then I was intrigued with Dominican women, learned quite a bit of spanish, had a ton of fun.

For shits and giggles I made a profile on a popular Dominican dating website and was receiving 15+ messages a day. A lot of gold digger types and others that I did not have much interest for. Recieved a message from one girl that had a lot of similiar interests. Went back and forth with text messages for a couple of days before she asked me to facetime. Initially she did not beleive I was as young as I was until the video chat.

We immediately clicked, started talking 2 hours every night and a couple weeks later I decided why not go and meet her, ive been wanting to visit DR anyway and just got my passport.

She works at the airport I flew to. Landed, met her and one of her friends after she got off work. Took a shuttle van to a well known hotel in the city. Both had one of the best times we ever had that weekend. Explored the city, had a lot of fun. Felt like we knew each other for a long time.

Told her I wanted her to come visit NY. She exaplained to me it's really not that easy. Again, this is when I was very ignorant to the topic of immigration. She's always wanted to study english in the US. Week later I proposed the Idea of maybe coming to study here for a few months. My income is comfortable and the tuition for the school was surprisingly cheap. School recommended we apply for a year, looks better on paper and i would not have to pay for the entire year if I wanted to just do a few months.

Started the process, booked another ticket to visit. I-20 happened to be ready just before my trip. Got denied, yada yada....

Yes lol, I can absolutely understand how this situation might look peculiar with the short duration of time. In fact it's completely taken me by surprise. Before I met her I actually did not see myself having a serious relationship anytime soon. However, for me, she fits the description of the ideal woman that's always been in the back of my mind. Beleive me, I am also shocked that I am in this position. But it just happened, it was not something that was planned for. To this day we speak for ~2 hrs a night and all throughout the day. I've tried finding a reason why I might be being taken for a ride. I cannot find one. The doubtful comments are very much expected and I understand why I am receiving them. I know exactly what this looks like from the outside. I am not concerned about any opinions about the validity of the relationship or seriousness, but I am asking a community for opinions on the topics of visa's, a community who im sure has much greater predicaments than I do and a community that might not take my situation seriously so I guess i owe an explanation of the incredibly short duration.

Admittedly, I do have somewhat of an impatient nature, but from my perspective everything makes sense to me and the experience i have had with other women makes me feel stronger about this one. I dont want to waste time and I feel like I am going in the right direction persuing this.

Hope that clears up any of your curiosities. Thanks for all the input so far!

You "can't find one"? How 'bout just that you're a living breathing American dude? I'm sorry but it doesn't matter how "intense" your connection to this woman is. Offering to pay for her entire schooling and life expenses after knowing her for ONE MONTH is extremely foolish, no matter how you try to slice it. And on top of all this, she is a foreigner, not an American citizen, which is forcing you and her to go through an intense legal process that is not meant to be taken lightly at all. It's not something you do "on a whim" just 'cause you're being led "by the feelz". It takes a lot of time, research, etc and this is all AFTER your relationship has matured enough that you know you'd like to spend the rest of your lives together.

[geowrian 22,335]

17 hours ago, Jorgedig said:

An individual can sponsor someone for an F-1?  I thought that was an education visa that had to go through a college?

Financially? Yes. Although this is not legally binding...it's just to show that the student has a way to pay for the fees.

How many foreign students that you know can afford tens of thousands of dollars annually on their own?

That said, typically it's a parent or other close family member that does so. Having it be a USC they very recently met it a big red flag.

[SalishSea 16,776]

4 minutes ago, geowrian said:

Financially? Yes. Although this is not legally binding...it's just to show that the student has a way to pay for the fees.

How many foreign students that you know can afford tens of thousands of dollars annually on their own?

That said, typically it's a parent or other close family member that does so. Having it be a USC they very recently met it a big red flag.

Okay.  I was thinking in terms of petitioning for a visa.

[Kerege 3]

They are two different types of visas. It will not effect you filing k1.  Of course they will see you filed for her before and The interviewer may ask who filed for her before and what happened but it won't make or break the k1. Just have All your evidence and she needs to be confident and answer the questions correctly. You should do moc interview with her so she can feel comfortable answering.  

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