Aug 2020 I-751 Filers (merged)

[mushroomspore 3,043]

10 hours ago, Mmaruyama said:

Hi Everyone,
I am a conditional permanent resident and I am about to submit my I-751 to remove conditions in August too. The Part 5 on the application says "Provide information on all of your children." 

Should I include my son who is a US Citizen by Birth on Part-5 of the I-751 Application or not ?

Thank you.

Yes they need to know about ALL offspring. I think they even specify somewhere that even missing children need to be included etc.

 

Good luck to everyone! I was posting in the July thread but since today is technically August 1 and we are heading out in a little bit to mail our package off, I'm an August 2020 filer. Almost 2 years exactly since we sent our AoS paperwork (Aug 7 is when we did AoS).

[Letspaintcookies 2,206]

13 hours ago, DFG said:

I did and I included a copy of his birth certificate as evidence of a bona fide marriage.  It asks to list all your children and also asks whether the child resides with you (yes) and if the child is applying with you (no). I like to err on the side of the caution with these forms and so to be safe, I included him. 

A child is not evidence of a bone fide marriage it only proofs that you had sex with somebody 😉

[millefleur 5,035]

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[frank19910210 65]

Hi,

 

When I married to my husband, he is already living in his own house. So when we move together, we did not change all the utility bills under both name. However, only electrcity company allows us to put both name and we did on April. Because the electricity bill only comes every two months, I only have two bills that have both names.

 

1) Do you think it is worth to put them as part of my evidence?

2) Do I have to explain as for why we didn't change before? (Just the reason was simple : We just didn't think about this. And even if I write a letter of explanation, this won't be over 100 words I think.)

3) Is it normal if I don't present any utility bills ? (I can present phone bills, on the contrary. Just I see a lot of people have gas bills, water bills etc.)

 

Thanks a lot !

Edited August 2, 2020 by frank19910210

[HRQX 4,145]

On 7/29/2020 at 12:56 PM, theatxbombayguy said:

but I doubt USCIS will receive, accept and process my documentation before early next week.

That is correct.

 

The Received date should still be the day it was delivered per 8 CFR § 103.2(a)(7)(i): "USCIS will consider a benefit request received and will record the receipt date as of the actual date of receipt at the location designated for filing such benefit request whether electronically or in paper format."

Edited August 2, 2020 by HRQX

[US <3 IND 53]

21 hours ago, mushroomspore said:

Almost 2 years exactly since we sent our AoS paperwork (Aug 7 is when we did AoS).

It's been 3 years for us, we waited a whole year to get the conditional green card. 

Best of luck!

[US <3 IND 53]

15 hours ago, Letspaintcookies said:

A child is not evidence of a bone fide marriage it only proofs that you had sex with somebody 😉

All the same, USCIS workers say that just having a child with your partner goes 70% of the way to prooving bone fide marriage. 

[Letspaintcookies 2,206]

39 minutes ago, US <3 IND said:

All the same, USCIS workers say that just having a child with your partner goes 70% of the way to prooving bone fide marriage. 

Where does it say that?

[HRQX 4,145]

22 hours ago, mushroomspore said:

Almost 2 years exactly since we sent our AoS paperwork

Isn't it 3 years since Aug 2017: https://www.visajourney.com/timeline/profile.php?id=279346

47 minutes ago, US <3 IND said:

It's been 3 years for us, we waited a whole year to get the conditional green card.

Per their timeline, it's also been 3 years. It took 14 months from filing to approval:

 

[mushroomspore 3,043]

2 hours ago, HRQX said:

Isn't it 3 years since Aug 2017: https://www.visajourney.com/timeline/profile.php?id=279346

Per their timeline, it's also been 3 years. It took 14 months from filing to approval:

 

Omg wow I apparently cannot do math. Yes it's been 3 years since AoS. Since it took a whole year to get approved. I think I'm in denial about time passing by so quickly. Also I turned 30 last year so that's been an existential doozy to deal with.

[mushroomspore 3,043]

2 hours ago, Letspaintcookies said:

Where does it say that?

They don't say that anywhere. Having a child is just one factor in proving the legitimacy of a relationship. Obviously, couples must present a myriad of factors together, not just one. It's also up to the IO they get assigned to. One IO might be more lenient towards a couple because there is a kid but a different IO may ask to see more documentation of other things first before approving. And then of course, there are cases of reproductive coercion (where one partner forces the other partner into parenthood to "trap" them into the relationship). This is obviously abuse and the agency is aware that such scenarios happen, so that's why IO's want to see lots of different evidence and don't put all the stock into children. They do not immediately approve all cases of couples with children because they're simply not the end-all and be-all. Some people are childless by choice (I'm in this camp) and others can't have kids due to medical reasons. That's why you need to cover all bases: financial co-mingling, joint ownership of properties and other necessities, listing each other as beneficiaries on insurance policies, proof of travel together and/or going to events together, etc etc.

Edited August 2, 2020 by mushroomspore

[Letspaintcookies 2,206]

1 hour ago, mushroomspore said:

They don't say that anywhere. Having a child is just one factor in proving the legitimacy of a relationship. Obviously, couples must present a myriad of factors together, not just one. It's also up to the IO they get assigned to. One IO might be more lenient towards a couple because there is a kid but a different IO may ask to see more documentation of other things first before approving. And then of course, there are cases of reproductive coercion (where one partner forces the other partner into parenthood to "trap" them into the relationship). This is obviously abuse and the agency is aware that such scenarios happen, so that's why IO's want to see lots of different evidence and don't put all the stock into children. They do not immediately approve all cases of couples with children because they're simply not the end-all and be-all. Some people are childless by choice (I'm in this camp) and others can't have kids due to medical reasons. That's why you need to cover all bases: financial co-mingling, joint ownership of properties and other necessities, listing each other as beneficiaries on insurance policies, proof of travel together and/or going to events together, etc etc.

 

So you basically made that up, right !?!

4 hours ago, US <3 IND said:

All the same, USCIS workers say that just having a child with your partner goes 70% of the way to prooving bone fide marriage. 

 

[janet3 1,170]

On 8/1/2020 at 4:11 PM, mushroomspore said:

Yes they need to know about ALL offspring. I think they even specify somewhere that even missing children need to be included etc.

 

Okay....this is going to sound stupid.....and I realize I am WAY OVER THINKING this.....

But.....that's about the conditional resident's children correct? We do not have to include my 32 year old estranged adopted daughter in the "your children" (I'm the USC....) correct?

I know, I'm sorry.....I think stress is getting to me.....

[JasonGG 267]

We sent my wife's i-751 and evidence by FedEx on August 1.  Should arrive Tuesday, August 4.  Now the waiting begins... again.

 

Jason

[US <3 IND 53]

17 hours ago, Letspaintcookies said:

Where does it say that?

 

15 hours ago, mushroomspore said:

They don't say that anywhere.

 

13 hours ago, Letspaintcookies said:

So you basically made that up, right !?!

My post is taking on a life of it's own XD

 

It's been a long weekend, and it's easy especially with the added stress of an application to misinterpret things. But that's just why we are all here to help each other 🙂

 

This was a response to a question whether or not to include children in your application when they are not co-applicants.

 

Let'spaintcookies thought there isn't any value in adding this kind of proof here. So what I am sharing here is encouragement for any who do have kids. I think it will be less common these days, but there will still be some for whom it applies. 

 

To clarify, USCIS does not state which types of evidence are more valuable than others. Even the only required document they ask for is the copy of the greencard. 

 

However I have spoken with a few USCIS workers who handle our cases who have said that a child's birth certificate weighs a lot for them. Since I was curious if this was a widespread view in USCIS, I searched online forums for more information, and I found corroboration several times, the most recent of which was this post on visajourney in the June I-751 filers, and where I am quoting 70% from (obv. this is subjective number😞

Having kids should never be done with agendas, since you will likely just end up miserable. 

 

My intent here is to affirm that just like any other type of evidence, this is also a valuable piece to include, if it applies to you, so don't forget to include it if so.

 

All the best with your applications!