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[JulianaSteve 25]

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[JeanneAdil 6,190]

don't confuse marriage in Islam with a wedding ceremony

the marriage is done by signing a contract in  front of a court clerk   /  no ceremony

 

the marriage celebration is done for 1 day or several days after which resembles our christian wedding reception and this is all dependent on money and the family's standing in the community

A husband and wife share milk and dates but they do not even eat the main meals together and can separate parties (men with men and the women with women) for 1 or 2 of these dates.

 

everyone keeps talking about the wedding ceremony and there is not one 

it is only important to include the family in the celebration afterwards not the actual signing of contract of marriage

[LilyJ 1,258]

4 minutes ago, JeanneAdil said:

don't confuse marriage in Islam with a wedding ceremony

the marriage is done by signing a contract in  front of a court clerk   /  no ceremony

 

the marriage celebration is done for 1 day or several days after which resembles our christian wedding reception and this is all dependent on money and the family's standing in the community

A husband and wife share milk and dates but they do not even eat the main meals together and can separate parties (men with men and the women with women) for 1 or 2 of these dates.

 

everyone keeps talking about the wedding ceremony and there is not one 

it is only important to include the family in the celebration afterwards not the actual signing of contract of marriage

The thing was that, despite stating to the CO that the marriage celebration was to celebrate with the family, they had no pictures of the family posing with them at the event at all. The beneficiary also said his side of the family didn't even attend

[JFH 12,189]

3 minutes ago, LilyJ said:

 The beneficiary also said his side of the family didn't even attend

That’s the part I find the most telling. If the marriage was in the beneficiary’s country then why weren’t his relatives there? I could understand the petitioner’s family not being there (flights were cost-prohibitive, unable to travel so far for health reasons or work commitments/child care arrangements, visas required, etc) but surely the point of marrying in the beneficiary's country is so that his family could attend. Otherwise why not just get married on a cruise ship or at a beach resort somewhere? Why would the petitioner travel so far for a marriage that the local family did not attend? 

[SalishSea 16,746]

Just now, JFH said:

That’s the part I find the most telling. If the marriage was in the beneficiary’s country then why weren’t his relatives there? I could understand the petitioner’s family not being there (flights were cost-prohibitive, unable to travel so far for health reasons or work commitments/child care arrangements, visas required, etc) but surely the point of marrying in the beneficiary's country is so that his family could attend. Otherwise why not just get married on a cruise ship or at a beach resort somewhere? Why would the petitioner travel so far for a marriage that the local family did not attend? 

Makes it seem like 'evidence' manufactured after getting the textbook rundown here on VJ......

[N-o-l-a 7,167]

What I find most interesting here is the the detailed list of reasons. Usually they are so vague about it. Is this a new trend?

[dentsflogged 352]

22 hours ago, Ahmed amin said:

but the lawyer said he can make appeal and fil new case in the same time is it true

Unless the appeal or new case have a signifiant change in the nature and bonafide evidence provided then there's no point in wasting the money on the lawyer.  Sounds like you've provided almost no proper evidence which is going to be a really hard sell given a beneficiary from a country in north Africa.

Edited September 2, 2019 by dentsflogged

[Nitas_man 3,100]

9 hours ago, JeanneAdil said:

don't confuse marriage in Islam with a wedding ceremony

the marriage is done by signing a contract in  front of a court clerk   /  no ceremony

 

the marriage celebration is done for 1 day or several days after which resembles our christian wedding reception and this is all dependent on money and the family's standing in the community

A husband and wife share milk and dates but they do not even eat the main meals together and can separate parties (men with men and the women with women) for 1 or 2 of these dates.

 

everyone keeps talking about the wedding ceremony and there is not one 

it is only important to include the family in the celebration afterwards not the actual signing of contract of marriage

Our CO’s are well aware of islamic and other local cultures and you are correct.  

 

Minimum = bride, groom, imam, two witnesses.  

 

The witnesses are usually family members are they not?  

 

Ceremony is not the issue and neither is family/no family.  Read those letters again.  Beneficiary said one thing at the interview, petitioner said “out of town” in the answer, which did not match the interview.

 

It isn’t the celebration.  Many couples have small simple ceremonies.  It is the discrepancy that the letter highlighted.  Add the rest of the contrived evidence and this case is beyond repair.

Edited September 2, 2019 by Nitas_man

[Nitas_man 3,100]

9 hours ago, Jorgedig said:

Makes it seem like 'evidence' manufactured after getting the textbook rundown here on VJ......

We ceaselessly advise against sending in packages with this kind of garbage.

 

[Crazy Cat 39,183]

4 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

We ceaselessly advise against sending in packages with this kind of garbage.

 

This is exactly the kind of manufactured "evidence" you have warned against in previous threads..

[Nitas_man 3,100]

2 hours ago, missileman said:

This is exactly the kind of manufactured "evidence" you have warned against in previous threads..

Too many on here encourage posters to manufacture evidence rather than advise how to build and maintain a marriage relationship based on what the couple is reasonably able to do while they are apart.

[JeanneAdil 6,190]

4 hours ago, Nitas_man said:

Our CO’s are well aware of islamic and other local cultures and you are correct.  

 

Minimum = bride, groom, imam, two witnesses.  

 

The witnesses are usually family members are they not?  

 

Ceremony is not the issue and neither is family/no family.  Read those letters again.  Beneficiary said one thing at the interview, petitioner said “out of town” in the answer, which did not match the interview.

 

It isn’t the celebration.  Many couples have small simple ceremonies.  It is the discrepancy that the letter highlighted.  Add the rest of the contrived evidence and this case is beyond repair.

My husband's aunt was only family at the clerk's office when we signed marriage document /  her and an interpreter as that person must be unbiased 

 

and yes, this OP case is beyond repair as i pointed out earlier / an appeal will do him no good as there is no way even a  lawyer can overcome the issues 

[JeanneAdil 6,190]

13 hours ago, LilyJ said:

The thing was that, despite stating to the CO that the marriage celebration was to celebrate with the family, they had no pictures of the family posing with them at the event at all. The beneficiary also said his side of the family didn't even attend

that is why i said "no way a lawyer can overcome these issues"   can not prove the unprovable

[Nitas_man 3,100]

16 minutes ago, JeanneAdil said:

My husband's aunt was only family at the clerk's office when we signed marriage document /  her and an interpreter as that person must be unbiased 

 

and yes, this OP case is beyond repair as i pointed out earlier / an appeal will do him no good as there is no way even a  lawyer can overcome the issues 

I believe an Islamic marriage contract requires (2) witnesses?  Our marriage book required them.

At any rate this case is a train wreck and a good teaching example.

[carmel34 3,528]

OP, your path forward is pretty clear:

 

1.  don't bother with an appeal, it would be a waste of money to use an attorney for this and most likely unsuccessful

2.  spend more time together and document all of the visits with passport stamps, a few photos together, boarding passes, hotel receipts

3.  build a stronger set of documents showing financial co-mingling, real things not fabricated, suggestions include beneficiary on retirement accounts, life insurance, add the foreign spouse to health insurance, will, living will, joint credit card account, etc.

4.  continue daily communication and prepare a summary of this, samples of how you regularly communicate with each other

4.  once the additional visits have been done and the new evidence gathered, file a new I-130 petition yourself (no attorney or visa service) in six months to a year if you can do 3 or 4 more visits in that time, include all the new evidence as front-loaded documents with the petition package

 

Hopefully you'll be successful the second time with a stronger I-130 package.  If that doesn't work you can live together in the beneficiary's home country.  Good luck!

Edited September 3, 2019 by carmel34