My Indo wife was denied twice for tourist visa

[WeGuyGal 1,052]

1 minute ago, Halo Bule said:

@Boiler yes , she will not give up. We will try again at almost $300 usd per application . Maybe a few more visa stamps will help and a job locally in a Indonesia. I had hoped it would be a yes this time so she could meet my parents. ... yes I think I had everything backwards 

$300?

 

B2 application fee is a standard 160, and she doesnt need an agent for this. Fairly straightforward application.

[Halo Bule 8]

@WeGuyGal yes your right $160... we didn’t use anyone we’ve done everything ourselves up to this point including my visas here in Indonesia .

[blooms 63]

hi,

 

Sorry for the denial. Unfortunately, this denial is not something that is uncommon.

And there is no sponsorship for B2 visa. Your wife needs to qualify on her own.

The CO may not be convinced that your wife will not overstay due to the strong ties she has in the US (you).

But reading up your post, she seemed truthful, so that is a very good thing. And she is welcome to apply again in the future. DS-160 is still $160 per application. Non- immigrant visa denials will not affect future immigrant visa application, fyi.

 

my suggestion is for her to travel abroad more if yall have the time and money for vacay, then re-apply next year?

Good luck. Salam.

 

[Halo Bule 8]

So this is my final thought and correct me if I am wrong.

 

1. We mentioned my wife’s 26 yo daughter to the OC thinking she was still a tie because she will get married soon and have grandkids for us to want to be around. My wife talks of this all the time.

The community advised us that this is quite opposite. She is 26 so she can take over The business vehicles and any properties. So this proves my wife is not needed to be present for the company. Which I believe is false . Nobody can run the business like she can. She takes great pride in this business that she built with her sweat and blood which is very difficult for as a single mother  in Indonesia! But I understand their thinking now. My income gives her the freedom to not work and just stay in USA but the thing is .... I do  not want to stay in USA so then what? We only want to visit USA once ... not multiple, not to live.... just to visit my parents and say goodbye after we visit Statue of Liberty and the golden state bridge ... maybe show her my old neighborhood ... that’s it!

 

2. I work in USA 3 to 5 months a year so my wife doesn’t need to work?  Even though I only work 5 months tops during hail season my wife could decide to stay in the USA especially since we are already married and living together. 

So I will have to find a job in Indonesia  or build a mobile company so I can work anywhere ?

Next time we apply I will not have a job in the USA but my own online business tied to her business.

 

3. She only left the country once so she needs to enter and exit more countries to show she has no intent to stay anywhere but Indonesia.

How many exit and re entrieswould she need ?

 

 

Edited May 29, 2019 by Halo Bule

[Halo Bule 8]

@blooms thanks blooms!

[SusieQQQ 11,584]

42 minutes ago, Halo Bule said:

@Boiler yes , she will not give up. We will try again at almost $300 usd per application . Maybe a few more visa stamps will help and a job locally in a Indonesia. I had hoped it would be a yes this time so she could meet my parents. ... yes I think I had everything backwards 

Huh? A visa application fee is $160.

 

also, an online business isn’t a tie because by definition it can be done from anywhere.

Edited May 29, 2019 by SusieQQQ

[WeGuyGal 1,052]

34 minutes ago, Halo Bule said:

@WeGuyGal yes your right $160... we didn’t use anyone we’ve done everything ourselves up to this point including my visas here in Indonesia .

There is a mention of an agent in the initial post

[Halo Bule 8]

 Yes already edited that @SusieQQQ

The cost for non-petition based visas is 160.00 USD. This fee is valid for several types of nonimmigrant visas, including, but not limited to:

• US Visitor Visa (B-1 visa and B-2 visa)
• C-1 visa for transits to the U.S
• D visa for airline or ship crewmembers
• F visa for students and academics
• I visa for media and journalists
• J visa for exchange visitors (excluding those applicants sponsored by the U.S government)
• M visa for vocational students
• TN/TD visa for NAFTA professionals
• T visa for victims of human trafficking
• U visa for victims of criminal activity

Edited May 29, 2019 by Halo Bule

[Allaboutwaiting 2,500]

4 minutes ago, WeGuyGal said:

There is a mention of an agent in the initial post

The consular agent that interviewed the wife. 

[Halo Bule 8]

@Allaboutwaiting that’s the us consulate agent 

[geowrian 22,335]

4 hours ago, Halo Bule said:

so today my wife was denied her tourist visa for the second time.

first time we were not married and I just tried to sponsor her. 

Can't sponsor a tourist.

 

4 hours ago, Halo Bule said:

We got married in a Catholic Church on July 1 2018 in Bali 6 months after her first interview.  We did marriage classes and I even got baptized.

this is a legit marriage.

Understood, but the validity and legitimacy of the marriage has no bearing on a tourist visa.

 

4 hours ago, Halo Bule said:

Her ties are strong in Indonesia. Family, Business , Cars, Properties she will inherit one day, and most of all Indonesian Pride. She has no desire to live permanently outside of Indonesia. 

Family ties are likely stronger to the US than Indonesia IMO. A USC spouse would be the one that trumps all.

Cars can easily be sold. Properties are often the same.

Pride is not a factor.

 

4 hours ago, Halo Bule said:

first letter I received:

Standard INA 214(b) refusal (immigrant intent).

 

4 hours ago, Halo Bule said:

second letter from consulate:

Correct - documents are typically not reviewed. A CO cannot determine authenticity of documents on the spot (there are many people who make a living making up fake documents for visa applications), nor do documents show intent to return home.

 

4 hours ago, Halo Bule said:

there were about 130 applicants and 4 were rejected .  My wife being one of them.

 

The ones that that were rejected came alone, the others that were approved were either couples or families.

Coincidence? Visa applications are adjudicated on the individual merits of the case.

 

4 hours ago, Halo Bule said:

I am a is citizen who works part time in the states, don’t i have a right to have my wife accompany me , and does she not have a right to meet her family in law in the states.

Nope. No such right exists.

You are permitted to petition her for a green card to live in the US, but that's it.

 

4 hours ago, Halo Bule said:

i understand that the consulate automatically assumes all tourist visas have intentions of migrating.... but this is not the case with us.

That is the case with her. She may not actually have that intent, but she was unable to overcome the presumption that applies to all cases.

 

4 hours ago, Halo Bule said:

We will apply again next year even though we can apply before that.

Good luck.

4 hours ago, Halo Bule said:

what are we doing wrong? How do we show strong ties when she has already? We think she is showing strong ties. The questions on the application don’t really prove evidence either so how are they just assuming she doesn’t have ties? Unless of course they just automatically deny all married to foreigner applicants with no family going with them?  Do they assume all marriages are fake just so they can become a us citizen?

Nothing is wrong...she just doesn't have a strong case. Your assessment of her ties is different than the CO's.

The validity of the marriage has no bearing on a tourist visa.

[Just Observing 34]

US visitor visa applications from developing countries with high fraud rates are a manure-shoot with results as close to random as it can get. You can do everything right and not get the visa. In my opinion it is not worth agonizing over what you did wrong although some may think differently. There are people with her very same profile who got approved and many who got denied.

 

You can have her travel to UK, Canada, Australia and every developed country in the world and she could still get refused after reapplying. But of course the $160 application fee is not much and may mean nothing to you.

Edited May 29, 2019 by Just Observing

[Halo Bule 8]

@Just Observing yes, that was my first thought....  and agree with you. I came here just to get a deeper understanding of the consulates methods and thought process which I achieved . Thank you 

[WeGuyGal 1,052]

44 minutes ago, Just Observing said:

US visitor visa applications from developing countries with high fraud rates are a manure-shoot with results as close to random as it can get. You can do everything right and not get the visa. In my opinion it is not worth agonizing over what you did wrong although some may think differently. There are people with her very same profile who got approved and many who got denied.

 

And an important factor for that is the blame that lies because a high(er) number of b2 visitors from those countries 'forgot' to return home. 

[Calicolom 265]

I wonder what the internet is for, maybe just to play games, seems not many people use it do do any kind of research, or is this the result of the 3 R not being taught in schools.