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PELOSI SAYS SHE PERSONALLY SUPPORTS LOWERING THE VOTING AGE TO 16

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1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Of course she does. All the Dems want to do is to try and get all those gullible high schoolers to come and vote for them. 

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56 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Of course she does. All the Dems want to do is to try and get all those gullible high schoolers to come and vote for them. 

 

   Are you saying 16 year old's don't like Republicans? I'm not sure I would agree with that. I do think the majority of kids are predisposed to whatever party their parents lean towards though. I don't think that part really changes between 16 and 18. It might when they get a little older. 


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You're discounting the indoctrination that can begin at hyskool level.

Don't forget the widespread reports of teechurs who were in tears the day after Trump won the election.


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8 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Are you saying 16 year old's don't like Republicans? I'm not sure I would agree with that. I do think the majority of kids are predisposed to whatever party their parents lean towards though. I don't think that part really changes between 16 and 18. It might when they get a little older. 

I don't know, at 16, I was pretty much against anything my parents were for.  As to whether 16 year olds would be predisposed to vote Democrat or Republican, I think most would lean toward the Dems (sure there would be some on the other side) with all their promises of free stuff.  Regardless, this is just an academic debate, I don't think anything will happen given the process to actually make that change.


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10 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

You're discounting the indoctrination that can begin at hyskool level.

Don't forget the widespread reports of teechurs who were in tears the day after Trump won the election.

 

6 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

I don't know, at 16, I was pretty much against anything my parents were for.  As to whether 16 year olds would be predisposed to vote Democrat or Republican, I think most would lean toward the Dems (sure there would be some on the other side) with all their promises of free stuff.  Regardless, this is just an academic debate, I don't think anything will happen given the process to actually make that change.

 

 

    Teenagers rebel against parents but are unduly influenced by teachers? Methinks neither of you has a teenager at home. Teenagers who are going to act that way tend to do so against any authority figure, be it parent or teacher or any other adult in general.

 

    I would not be in favor of letting 16 year old's vote primarily because they often have very little political awareness. It tends to become a lot more so as they move towards becoming adults, but I think it develops more in the post high school years. Then again, many people maintain a very superficial approach to politics for the rest of their lives, so that can't really be the main determinant for limiting the right to vote.

 

  I think the use 18 as the age of majority is ingrained in our society. I don't see anything changing to make it lower. If anything, I think development is a bit behind where it used to be and I could more likely envision a trend toward increasing age limits for voting, drinking, driving etc. I have said before, I think the average kid is more intelligent in general than when I was that age, and they have way more tools and information available to them than we had, but they are also generally behind as far as the "street smart" or common sense level of social awareness is concerned.  


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Well, you're 18 and can vote and fight/die for your country, but you can't buy booze or maybe cigarettes.

 

Best proposal might be to reserve voting privileges for land-owners, as was proposed in the Founding days.

This would eliminate the "I want my free junk" crowd.


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1 minute ago, TBoneTX said:

Well, you're 18 and can vote and fight/die for your country, but you can't buy booze or maybe cigarettes.

 

Best proposal might be to reserve voting privileges for land-owners, as was proposed in the Founding days.

This would eliminate the "I want my free junk" crowd.

I would favor limiting it to people not on Tax payer funded assistance 

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I am for raising the voting age to 30.


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2 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Well, you're 18 and can vote and fight/die for your country, but you can't buy booze or maybe cigarettes.

 

Best proposal might be to reserve voting privileges for land-owners, as was proposed in the Founding days.

This would eliminate the "I want my free junk" crowd.

Terrible idea. Sure, let's give all political power to a tiny elite, and allow them to completely control our lives. Whilst there at it, why not bring back slavery. The founders seemed okay with slavery after all. 

 

No thanks, if this is what you mean, when you say someone possesses good common sense, then I don't think I want any of said common sense. 


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40 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Terrible idea. Sure, let's give all political power to a tiny elite, and allow them to completely control our lives. Whilst there at it, why not bring back slavery. The founders seemed okay with slavery after all. 

 

No thanks, if this is what you mean, when you say someone possesses good common sense, then I don't think I want any of said common sense. 

kudos. That was crafty how you tied "black" slavery into the whole thing. 

well if the Dems can get high school students to vote and keep the illegals flowing they might stand a chance 

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51 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Terrible idea. Sure, let's give all political power to a tiny elite, and allow them to completely control our lives. Whilst there at it, why not bring back slavery. The founders seemed okay with slavery after all. 

 

No thanks, if this is what you mean, when you say someone possesses good common sense, then I don't think I want any of said common sense. 

So to you, 65% of Americans are a "tiny elite"?

 

And let's not forget that it was YOUR party who promoted slavery and fought so hard to keep it going.

 

Which has NOTHING to do with the stupidity of age 16 voting, BTW.

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23 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

So to you, 65% of Americans are a "tiny elite"?

 

 

He said land owners, not home owners. Yes, home owners obviously do typically own the land their home is built on, but usually when people refer to land ownership, they are referring to farm land. 

At any rate, I can't fathom why anyone would be in favor of the disenfranchisement of a significant portion of the population. 


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