Do I have to do this all over again?

[Fandango 1,439]

I think that's part of the problem. There should be no friendly bickering; if it's offensive then it's offensive and it needs to quit. I know it's difficult not to bicker but I really don't think it serves a purpose. Of course, if you think you can convince the person to change their views then that's different; but to bicker over something that is a clear violation of TOS just prolongs the problem. I would prefer quick reporting of violations and strong enforcement of consequences.

The very nature of this site means we will have people of different cultures, religions, etc. I thought this would be site filled with open minded, tolerant people.

You're probably right.

What I meant by that is when I feel the need to speak up against the 'women are this that and the other' it's not like I'm sitting there expecting them to say 'you know what, you're right'....enlightenment will neever happen. I speak up knowing full well it's going to get into a clusterfluff. But at that point, I'm prepared for it, so I know that going in. But every now and again, someone oughtta say something.

[Glyn and Kathy 288]

I just ignore those posters, and feel sorry for their poor wives/fiancess who are stuck with them. Karma will come back to bite them someday and they will get what they deserve.

[missmissy 38]

I just ignore those posters, and feel sorry for their poor wives/fiancess who are stuck with them. Karma will come back to bite them someday and they will get what they deserve.

When is it going to be my turn to drive the Karma bus? I've got some stops I'd like to make!

[Fandango 1,439]

When is it going to be my turn to drive the Karma bus? I've got some stops I'd like to make!

that made me lol for real

[Darnell 8,478]

tis time to practice using the report button. click it, practice a bit, get comfy in using it.

later on, when next you read an offending post, you won't feel so scared to use it.

[B_J 2,752]

You're probably right.

What I meant by that is when I feel the need to speak up against the 'women are this that and the other' it's not like I'm sitting there expecting them to say 'you know what, you're right'....enlightenment will neever happen. I speak up knowing full well it's going to get into a clusterfluff. But at that point, I'm prepared for it, so I know that going in. But every now and again, someone oughtta say something.

I really agree with you a lot. I don't believe in ignoring the problem. In my mind, ignoring the things that are said is the same as accepting them. And there are some things that are just not acceptable.

There just really needs to be more common sense applied to following the TOS. In a site like this, some things are just not acceptable. Maybe Darnell is right; we need heavy moderating here.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

tis time to practice using the report button. click it, practice a bit, get comfy in using it.

later on, when next you read an offending post, you won't feel so scared to use it.

Problem is, most of the folks hitting the report button are the biggest offenders themselves.

[elmcitymaven 9,711]

Problem is, most of the folks hitting the report button are the biggest offenders themselves.

Quite right. I tend to be of the belief that overusing the report button just makes you a pain in the hindquarters to the mods, and frankly if I hit the report button as often as I feel it is merited, I probably would do nothing else on VJ. Furthermore, hitting the report button doesn't magically make posts go away -- I think we all have seen instances where posts were blatantly against TOS and yet remained. I choose it judiciously, and generally when the attack has been personal and not generic unless particularly egregious.

The report button is only a panacaea -- I would prefer the cause, not the symptoms, of this disease be treated.

To some extent I think fine, let them have at it with their offensive language in their "special place," but the reality is that this is bleeding into OT and P&R. I saw a post in P&R just yesterday that was rehashing some of the same disgusting stereotypes. The same protestations that American women are fat, useless, ugly, desperate, jealous and disgusting. It needs to stop. I'm glad to see that Krikit has said some discussion is ongoing in this matter. It is important to quite a few people here, and not just me.

[Marilyn. 340]

in all my years on VJ I have only reported one or two things... like was already mentioned if you report things too much you won't be taken seriously...

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Post not pertaining to the topic has been removed.

I do agree that this is a problem and we are working behind the scenes to do something about it.

The post did actually, as this topic is broached so often yet never really addressed that it makes you want to....you know....

By the way to remove a post it must violate the TOS correct?

Edited June 11, 2011 by Sousuke

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Anyway, you can tell that the TOS was not meant for enforcement but instead just a legal disclaimer to keep this site from litigation.

The language in it is far too vague to be any use as a rule book on forum behavior.

For instance:

"Publish, Post, upload, distribute or disseminate or offer to do the same any inappropriate, defamatory, infringing, obscene, or unlawful material, information, or in general, Content."

That's broad in order to cover legal matters but totally useless in a moderators sense. Any post could be labeled "inappropriate" for instance.

My guess is that my previous post might have been labeled in this manner but who's to say? Every post in this thread could be labeled as such for questioning site conduct.

"Restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the Forums."

Here is another gem that is so vague it could be applied to anyone on the whim of the moderator. If I post a photo of a cat, cat haters could argue that it inhibits their use of the forum.

"Make comments in a Post either direct or implied toward another member that are purposely designed to upset, antagonize, make fun of, belittle, or otherwise instigate an argument that takes away from the personal enjoyment of the Service by other users."

This lovely line basically says the politics thread is against the TOS, as the point of posting there is to instigate political arguments and debate.

Edited June 11, 2011 by Sousuke

[TracyTN 237]

The only way it will be changed is for Ewok and the mods to make it go away, period. Any post hinting at it should be deleted and the member (at minimum) warned.

It will require interaction from the rest of us (via the report button) as we cannot expect them to see every post and handle it. But until a firm line is drawn in the sand by Ewok (possibly via an email to the entire membership to drive it home), it's a moot point.

[TBoneTX 43,058]

When is it going to be my turn to drive the Karma bus?

"My karma ran over your dogma," si man (or, squish man).

[The Dude 206]

One of the lessons I LEARNED was that you get MORE ACTION by reporting the posts, rather than actually playing along with that other member. YMMV, greatly, however.

What is the point when you have moderators like Brad who show contempt for those who do bother to report TOS violations?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

What is the point when you have moderators like Brad who show contempt for those who do bother to report TOS violations?

Baiting, waiting for a response, then reporting is like crying to mommy after you kicked your older brother and ran away.