May 24, 2022 -- Deadly shooting at Texas elementary school

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

19 children and two adults killed.  Sad day for America.

 

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/texas-elementary-school-shooting-05-24-22/index.html

[Mike E 11,726]

 

[Boiler 43,720]

That thread is closed, so this is a continuation, certainly as is often the case the story develops.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

15 minutes ago, Boiler said:

That thread is closed, so this is a continuation, certainly as is often the case the story develops.

ABSOLUTELY. The topic bears further discussion, as well as a solution.  Not sure we can achieve the latter, but we can certainly do the former in spite of the liberals who would prefer to shut it down.

[Mike E 11,726]

7 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

ABSOLUTELY. The topic bears further discussion, as well as a solution.  Not sure we can achieve the latter, but we can certainly do the former in spite of the liberals who would prefer to shut it down.

I doubt liberals want to shut the discussion down.   
 

I’ve never seen these threads come to a positive resolution. Or produce any new ideas   
 

 

[TBoneTX 43,418]

There have been plenty of previous threads in which gun control has been debated.  Perhaps if we focus on the victims in this thread, it can be different from all the others.

[TBoneTX 43,418]

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[Dashinka 23,365]

7 hours ago, Mike E said:

I doubt liberals want to shut the discussion down.   
 

I’ve never seen these threads come to a positive resolution. Or produce any new ideas   
 

 

It is interesting how in one instance the narrative is all about race, in the other, it is all about gun controls.  Can't the Left/Dems/MSM get their messages straight?

[Dashinka 23,365]

Another Leftist take.  This time it is the Senate filibuster that is to blame.  Messages, messages.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-gun-control-in-america-is-so-hard/ar-AAXI9W7

[seekingthetruth 1,219]

I just don't get it.  Guns, guns, guns, that is all that is discussed.  The U.S. has huge mental health issues, particularly in youth.  Nothing is going to change unless those are discussed and addressed.

 

Tucker Carlson is aligned to what I think on this subject.  I know some don't like to watch Fox and/or Tucker.  Just give this one a chance.

 

Underneath that is one by Jesse Watters, who offers some things to try which make sense to me.  Better security at schools should be job one.

 

 

 

[Boiler 43,720]

[B_J 2,752]

Talking with colleagues, we all kind of lean towards a two prong approach to the problem.  First is to try to prevent it from happening and second is to have a real plan in place for when it does happen (other than hiding and hoping) .  With that in mind, these are the ideas mentioned the most:

 

1.  Of course, arming teachers.  Nobody is saying make it a requirement but many, or most, are saying at least have a serious discussion about it.

2.  Limiting access to buildings.  This will be difficult because of how building are designed.  My building has 10 entrances.  I'm not sure what you do to fix that.  Also, if it isn't a lone shooter but a duo, there will definitely be an issue with preventing access.  All it would take is for one to go to school and then open the door during the day to let the other in with weapons.  Limiting access will be difficult, if not impossible, to accomplish.

3.  Schools need trained, full time psychologists on campus.  Most have school counselors but few, if any, psychologists on campus.  Counselors deal with student schedules, credits, plans for graduation and colleges, etc.  With all of the other duties, there's really not time for finding students who need help, and then helping them.  Plus, counselors really aren't trained to deal with the kind of issues some of these kids have.  Psychologists could deal solely with the emotional and psychological problems some kids have.

4.  Would it be possible for psychologists to make a profile of a potential shooter?  Similar to the way a criminal psychologist makes a profile of a serial killer.  This profile would not be to punish someone but to let teachers know what type of behaviors and signals to look for so that these kids could be recommended to the school psychologist for help before problems get worse.  It would be better to help trouble kids early rather than have situations like this repeated.

 

That's pretty much all we've come up with.  We, of course, know it won't go anywhere and nobody will ask our opinion but it is what it is.

 

 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,330]

Everyone keeps saying put a stop to this. I really don't think there is one clear cut solution.

 

I will say this again. Stop the 24/7 wall to wall news  coverage that makes the perp infamous. Notice how it happens in clusters.  

 

Now how you stop the 24/7 coverage. I dont know

[Crazy Cat 39,620]

This really is a sad day for the whole country.  Those families will never recover from this unimaginable grief.  So much joy stolen, so much potential gone, so much needless suffering inflicted on innocent people. 

[MarJhi 925]

There was a time when something like this happened, we would focus on the victims, their stories and their families. But now we live in the era of "Never let a crisis go to waste" in which we instantly try to take a tragedy like this to further a political agenda. One side wants to exploit it to restrict the 2nd Amendment and those on the other side are forced to defend that right. "Think about the children" they say, but they've forgotten the children almost instantly and start thinking about how they can capitalize. 

 

Years later, Rahm Emmanuel explain his "Never let a crisis go to waste quote". He said "First of all, what I said was never let a good crisis go to waste when it's an opportunity to do things you had never considered or you didn't think were possible,". Every dead body is an a opportunity for them.