18 children, 3 adults killed in Texas elementary school shooting

[Crazy Cat 39,749]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

Should we just shrug and say oh well, we can't ever prevent a bad guy getting a gun?

You will NEVER prevent a bad PERSON from getting a gun.......if that person wants one.  The next logical step is to  allow others to defend themselves or children from that bad person with a gun.  

Edited May 25, 2022 by Crazy Cat

[B_J 2,752]

Just now, JPD91 said:

What is a legitimate reason to own a gun? 

I hate guns but I own them for protection.  His jokes on that subject simply do not apply to me at all.  But again, he's a comedian.  He's just supposed to entertain; I certainly wouldn't look to him for a thoughtful opinion on anything, and certainly not on what happened in Uvalde.

[Dashinka 23,399]

2 minutes ago, JPD91 said:

What is a legitimate reason to own a gun? 

Personal protection.

[MarJhi 925]

6 minutes ago, JPD91 said:

What is a legitimate reason to own a gun? 

Who gets to be the arbiter of what is and isn't a "legitimate reason"?

[JPD91 35]

2 minutes ago, MarJhi said:

Who gets to be the arbiter of what is and isn't a "legitimate reason"?

Definitely not an open online forum. 

11 minutes ago, Crazy Cat said:

You will NEVER prevent a bad PERSON from getting a gun.......if that person wants one.  The next logical step is to  allow others to defend themselves or children from that bad person with a gun.  

Make them harder to access and you can prevent a bad person getting a gun. 

[MarJhi 925]

49 minutes ago, JPD91 said:

 

Well there you go, a celebrity has an opinion, which counts no more and no less than anyone else's.

 

[JPD91 35]

1 minute ago, MarJhi said:

Well there you go, a celebrity has an opinion, which counts no more and no less than anyone else's.

 

Exactly, I’m simply sharing an opinion that I believe, and others are allowed to disagree with. 

[Crazy Cat 39,749]

5 minutes ago, JPD91 said:

Make them harder to access and you can prevent a bad person getting a gun. 

By passing more laws?  That has never worked..... I offer Chicago as evidence.

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Crazy Cat

[beloved_dingo 1,941]

19 minutes ago, Crazy Cat said:

You will NEVER prevent a bad PERSON from getting a gun.......if that person wants one.  The next logical step is to  allow others to defend themselves or children from that bad person with a gun.  

I usually don't like to compare the U.S. to other countries, but places like Australia seem to have laws that do actually prevent bad people from getting guns or at the very least help prevent mass shooting from occurring. They enacted pretty strict gun laws (such as banning semi-automatic rifles) in response to the mass shooting that occurred in Tasmania in 1996. Is the issue here that there are just too many guns already (more guns than people)? I live in Alabama and know a ton of legal gun owners - it goes with the territory here in the deep south. But I don't see how having some common sense gun laws infringes on the 2nd amendment. Things like waiting periods and background checks don't prevent legal gun ownership, it just helps ensure that people aren't buying an automatic weapon and murdering a dozen people 2 hours later.

 

Sure, many bad guys will be able to get their hands on a gun because they are willing to go through improper channels, but a it's not like all gun violence/mass shootings are committed by career criminals or something. A lot of these crimes are committed by people who legally purchased a gun that they never should have had in the first place (because of prior warning signs, mental health issues, etc). There are also suicides to consider in this who equation as well. Anyway, there are ideas from both sides of the aisle that can help solve the problem. Doing nothing and having both political parties continue their finger pointing doesn't help anything.

Edited May 25, 2022 by beloved_dingo

[MarJhi 925]

2 minutes ago, JPD91 said:

Make them harder to access and you can prevent a bad person getting a gun. 

Chicago??

[MarJhi 925]

3 minutes ago, JPD91 said:

Exactly, I’m simply sharing an opinion that I believe, and others are allowed to disagree with. 

Like I said, means no more or less than anyone else's 

[Dashinka 23,399]

1 minute ago, beloved_dingo said:

I usually don't like to compare the U.S. to other countries, but places like Australia seem to have laws that do actually prevent bad people from getting guns or at the very least help prevent mass shooting from occurring. They enacted pretty strict gun laws (such as banning semi-automatic rifles) in response to the mass shooting that occurred in Tasmania in 1996. Is the issue here that there are just too many guns already (more guns than people)? I live in Alabama and know a ton of legal gun owners - it goes with the territory here in the deep south. But I don't see how having some common sense gun laws infringes on the 2nd amendment. Things like waiting periods and background checks don't prevent legal gun ownership, it just helps ensure that people aren't buying an automatic weapon and murdering a dozen people 2 hours later.

 

Sure, many bad guys will be able to get their hands on a gun because they are willing to go through improper channels, but a it's not like all gun violence/mass shootings are committed by career criminals or something. A lot of these crimes are committed by people who legally purchased a gun that they never should have had in the first place (because of prior warning signs, mental health issues, etc). There are ideas from both sides of the aisle that can help solve the problem. Doing nothing and having both political parties continue their finger pointing doesn't help anything.

Aren’t there already common sense gun laws?  What new laws would have prevented this?  The interesting thing is the worst school massacre in the history of the US was not even carried out with a gun.

[MarJhi 925]

3 minutes ago, beloved_dingo said:

it just helps ensure that people aren't buying an automatic weapon and murdering a dozen people 2 hours later.

Who is buying an automatic weapon? Are you talking about a fully automatic weapon which is EXTREMELY difficult and costly to get or a semi-automatic weapon, the category most guns fall into?

[Mike E 11,727]

15 minutes ago, beloved_dingo said:

I usually don't like to compare the U.S. to other countries, but places like Australia seem to have laws that do actually prevent bad people from getting guns or at the very least help prevent mass shooting from occurring.

And Australia enacted draconian regulations during the pandemic that would not be accepted here.

 

Australia revealed itself to be tyranny. 

 

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it just helps ensure that people aren't buying an automatic weapon and murdering a dozen people 2 hours later.

And with that, I'm out of this thread. When you've fired an automatic weapon,  will rejoin.

Edited May 25, 2022 by Mike E

[beloved_dingo 1,941]

2 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Aren’t there already common sense gun laws?  What new laws would have prevented this?  The interesting thing is the worst school massacre in the history of the US was not even carried out with a gun.

Using an explosion/bombing from 100 years ago to distract from the issue at hand is a bit disingenuous. More kids have been killed by gun violence than literally anything else in the U.S., so that is the problem that needs to be mitigated. We don't have kids blown up every other day by dynamite do we? 

 

In my opinion, many states absolutely do NOT have common sense gun laws. For instance, Alabama doesn't require background checks or concealed carry permits. Many states are similar in this regard, and it doesn't strike me as sensical at all.