18 children, 3 adults killed in Texas elementary school shooting

[beloved_dingo 1,934]

2 minutes ago, Mike E said:

And Australia enacted draconian regulations during the pandemic that would not be accepted here.

 

Australia revealed itself to be tyranny. 

There's no reason to conflate 2 different issues that occurred under different administrations. And the conservative prime minster who was in power during the pandemic was just voted out.

[Crazy Cat 39,363]

19 minutes ago, beloved_dingo said:

I usually don't like to compare the U.S. to other countries, but places like Australia seem to have laws that do actually prevent bad people from getting guns or at the very least help prevent mass shooting from occurring. They enacted pretty strict gun laws (such as banning semi-automatic rifles) in response to the mass shooting that occurred in Tasmania in 1996. Is the issue here that there are just too many guns already (more guns than people)? I live in Alabama and know a ton of legal gun owners - it goes with the territory here in the deep south. But I don't see how having some common sense gun laws infringes on the 2nd amendment. Things like waiting periods and background checks don't prevent legal gun ownership, it just helps ensure that people aren't buying an automatic weapon and murdering a dozen people 2 hours later.

 

Sure, many bad guys will be able to get their hands on a gun because they are willing to go through improper channels, but a it's not like all gun violence/mass shootings are committed by career criminals or something. A lot of these crimes are committed by people who legally purchased a gun that they never should have had in the first place (because of prior warning signs, mental health issues, etc). There are also suicides to consider in this who equation as well. Anyway, there are ideas from both sides of the aisle that can help solve the problem. Doing nothing and having both political parties continue their finger pointing doesn't help anything.

Time for a dose of reality...... Training and arming teachers is the ONLY way to adequately defend against school shootings.....

Edited May 25, 2022 by Crazy Cat

[MarJhi 924]

2 minutes ago, beloved_dingo said:

Using an explosion/bombing from 100 years ago to distract from the issue at hand is a bit disingenuous. More kids have been killed by gun violence than literally anything else in the U.S., so that is the problem that needs to be mitigated. We don't have kids blown up every other day by dynamite do we? 

 

In my opinion, many states absolutely do NOT have common sense gun laws. For instance, Alabama doesn't require background checks or concealed carry permits. Many states are similar in this regard, and it doesn't strike me as sensical at all. 

So you are telling me that in the state of Alabama, you can go into a gun store, hand over some cash and walk out with a gun, no background check and no questions asked?

 

I think you are wrong. I invite you to go to a local gun store and see if you can purchase a firearm without a background check.

[Mike E 11,723]

1 minute ago, beloved_dingo said:

There's no reason to conflate 2 different issues that occurred under different administrations.

OK, one more comment then I am out.  2A exists because of tyranny. I'm married to someone whose countrymen want 2A for their country. Because their government slaughters people who peacefully protest. They are the same issue. 

1 minute ago, beloved_dingo said:

 

And the conservative prime minster who was in power during the pandemic was just voted out.

Yes and replaced with someone who is even more authoritarian. The old PM and the PM are both statists who don't believe in freedom. 2A preserves freedom. The right to bear arms allowed the USA to be created.

[Crazy Cat 39,363]

8 minutes ago, beloved_dingo said:

n my opinion, many states absolutely do NOT have common sense gun laws. For instance, Alabama doesn't require background checks or concealed carry permits

Another dose of reality:  Criminals and crazies buy guns every day without a background check......and they carry without a CCL...  Exactly how would your new laws stop that?

Edited May 25, 2022 by Crazy Cat

[Dashinka 23,291]

9 minutes ago, beloved_dingo said:

Using an explosion/bombing from 100 years ago to distract from the issue at hand is a bit disingenuous. More kids have been killed by gun violence than literally anything else in the U.S., so that is the problem that needs to be mitigated. We don't have kids blown up every other day by dynamite do we? 

 

In my opinion, many states absolutely do NOT have common sense gun laws. For instance, Alabama doesn't require background checks or concealed carry permits. Many states are similar in this regard, and it doesn't strike me as sensical at all. 

No background checks when purchasing from a licensed dealer?  So what gun laws would have prevented this?

Edited May 25, 2022 by Dashinka

[MarJhi 924]

6 minutes ago, beloved_dingo said:

There's no reason to conflate 2 different issues that occurred under different administrations. And the conservative prime minster who was in power during the pandemic was just voted out.

The right to bear arms and a tyrannical government are directly connected. It is the reason the 2nd Amendment exists.

[beloved_dingo 1,934]

12 minutes ago, Mike E said:

And Australia enacted draconian regulations during the pandemic that would not be accepted here.

 

Australia revealed itself to be tyranny. 

 

And with that, I'm out of this thread. When you've fired an automatic weapon,  will rejoin.

Bye  The context clues are right there. I obviously wasn't referring to fully automatic weapons. 

Edited May 25, 2022 by beloved_dingo

[Crazy Cat 39,363]

Laws are for law abiding residents.......No new gun control law will not stop these tragedies.....

Edited May 25, 2022 by Crazy Cat

[MarJhi 924]

5 minutes ago, beloved_dingo said:

I obviously wasn't referring to fully automatic weapons. 

Then what weapons were you referring to? Ban all semi-automatics? 

 

By the way, I live in Arizona, which has probably the least restrictive gun laws in the country, and you still need to do a background check. So tell me again how you can walk into a gun store in Alabama and walk out with a gun without a background check please.

[AlaMike 217]

14 minutes ago, MarJhi said:

So you are telling me that in the state of Alabama, you can go into a gun store, hand over some cash and walk out with a gun, no background check and no questions asked?

 

I think you are wrong. I invite you to go to a local gun store and see if you can purchase a firearm without a background check.

As being a life long resident of Alabama You CANNOT, I repeat CANNOT! Just walk in a gun store and buy a gun without a background check, that goes for pistols, rifles or shotguns. 

At one time, if you had a concealed carry permit you could purchased based on that. But due to a few Sheriffs giving permits without background checks, that privilege was soon taken away.

As for concealed carry permits; the State just past the "Constitutional Carry Law". Although you can carry without a permit, you still have to be able legally to carry.  

[MarJhi 924]

27 minutes ago, beloved_dingo said:

... For instance, Alabama doesn't require background checks or concealed carry permits. 

Just for fun I decided too look up gun stores in Alabama, first one I found called Hoover Tactical in Birmingham.  Look right there on their page about gun sales. 

[MarJhi 924]

7 minutes ago, AlaMike said:

As being a life long resident of Alabama You CANNOT, I repeat CANNOT! Just walk in a gun store and buy a gun without a background check, that goes for pistols, rifles or shotguns. 

At one time, if you had a concealed carry permit you could purchased based on that. But due to a few Sheriffs giving permits without background checks, that privilege was soon taken away.

As for concealed carry permits; the State just past the "Constitutional Carry Law". Although you can carry without a permit, you still have to be able legally to carry.  

Roll Tide!

[AlaMike 217]

37 minutes ago, beloved_dingo said:

Using an explosion/bombing from 100 years ago to distract from the issue at hand is a bit disingenuous. More kids have been killed by gun violence than literally anything else in the U.S., so that is the problem that needs to be mitigated. We don't have kids blown up every other day by dynamite do we? 

 

In my opinion, many states absolutely do NOT have common sense gun laws. For instance, Alabama doesn't require background checks or concealed carry permits. Many states are similar in this regard, and it doesn't strike me as sensical at all. 

Motor vehicle crashes were the leading cause of death for children and adolescents, representing 20% of all deaths; firearm-related injuries were the second leading cause of death, responsible for 15% of deaths. Among firearm deaths, 59% were homicides, 35% were suicides, and 4% were unintentional injuries (e.g., accidental discharge). (The intent was undetermined in 2% of firearm deaths.) In contrast, among U.S. adults (≥20 years of age), 62% of firearm deaths were from suicide and 37% were from homicide. Furthermore, although unintentional firearm deaths were responsible for less than 2% of all U.S. firearm deaths, 26% occurred among children and adolescents.

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