Official Muller Probe Ended Thread

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,319]

4 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Personally I was not a big fan of Trump's during the GOP primary, but in the end, he was the much lesser of the two evils.  I personally hate his Twitter ravings as I hate Twitter all together.  The one big thing I give Trump credit for is he has taken more than two years of total organized bashing by the Democrats, the biased media and of course the "Never Trumpers" and taken it.  I doubt Hillary, or Obama would have been able to deal with that (not that they would have considering the state of our mainstream media).  Trump has a vitriolic personality, and he is a pompous *** that likes to exaggerate a lot which only feeds the extreme leftist attacks, but in a way, that is good for the GOP as it is teaching them to grow a backbone and deal with the biased media.  Heck, look at McConnell, would he have brought the Green New Deal to vote in the Senate if not for Trump, identifying all these Democrat socialists as jokes?

Well said. I agree with you 100%. What I dont understand Trump is one of the most centrist Pubs in years.  Prison Reform, Calling for Homosexuality to be decriminalized around the world. Afircan Americans are better economically than ever before. 

He is pushing inner city reform. He pardoned Alice Johnson and asked NFL players for ideas on others than should be pardoned 

 

I just dont get how people buy the : He is a racist and Homophobic" argument 

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12 hours ago, Prizm123 said:

someone who can see both sides, someone who can see faults in their side as well as the other instead of blind allegiance

 

i criticize democrats all the time and i despise Pelosi and think that Omar should not be re elected, but for some reason none of that matters because anyone who is left of center is labelled as "**" by the right

 

i am pro gun but anti NRA, meaning i dont want to ban assault rifles but think that we do need some controls on who gets to have guns. i dont think that is such a bad thing

i don't support welfare for rich people

i am pro death penalty, and pro choice (mostly because it is none of the government's business)

i dont support illegal immigration and do not support getting rid of ice

i do support strong national defense, but do not support wasting money on it - i think we spend way too much on it especially trying to be policeman to the world

i do support having medicare to be available to everyone as an option alongside regular insurance

i do not support religion, and think churches should be taxed like corporations,

i do support the right to fair labor laws and unions

i think that big pharma needs to be controlled and that medicare should be allowed to negotiate drug prices

i think lobbying should be banned

i like clean air and water and food

i think we should go towards more renewable energy

i do not think that the country is going in the right direction regarding wealth inequality

 

so go ahead and throw out all the epithets you throw, it doesnt bother me.

 

 

You know who you sound like with this post?  Me.  And NB.  And Boiler.  And Bill.  And jg.  And probably 95% of those who post in CEHST.  So in reality, you are one of the “us” that you claim thinks their $^%# don’t stink.  Welcome home, good to have you with us!

 

Either extreme has issues that I think the majority of America don’t agree with.  We are far too polarized.  When Obama was in charge, though I did not think he was a very effective president, I supported him because he was president.  Didn’t call him names, hoped for the best under him.  In that same light, I can be called a Trump supporter, even though I thought it was a joke when he announced he was going to run for office.  But I did not vote for him.  And like many, I feel he was the lesser of two evils (FAR better than the alternative!). I hope, for the sake of all of us, that he does good things for our country.  I wish Melania would change his twitter password.  I don’t agree with everything he says, but I do like his bluntness.  I like that he seems to be against what the likes of AOC and the far-left crowd are trying to impose on us.

 

I also agree with the majority of your post that I am quoting here.  But you did waltz in with a bit of an attitude and name-calling.  Which is ironic, since you fit in well with most of us here in CEHST.  Again, welcome to the fray.

 

(Also, assault rifles are already banned, with the exception of a few hundred from the old days)

[Boiler 43,588]

2 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Well said. I agree with you 100%. What I dont understand Trump is one of the most centrist Pubs in years.  Prison Reform, Calling for Homosexuality to be decriminalized around the world. Afircan Americans are better economically than ever before. 

He is pushing inner city reform. He pardoned Alice Johnson and asked NFL players for ideas on others than should be pardoned 

 

I just dont get how people buy the : He is a racist and Homophobic" argument 

I have had similar conversations with the blank expression, decided it is some sort of cognitive disorder.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,319]

1 minute ago, ALFKAD said:

 

You know who you sound like with this post?  Me.  And NB.  And Boiler.  And Bill.  And jg.  And probably 95% of those who post in CEHST.  So in reality, you are one of the “us” that you claim thinks their $^%# don’t stink.  Welcome home, good to have you with us!

 

Either extreme has issues that I think the majority of America don’t agree with.  We are far too polarized.  When Obama was in charge, though I did not think he was a very effective president, I supported him because he was president.  Didn’t call him names, hoped for the best under him.  In that same light, I can be called a Trump supporter, even though I thought it was a joke when he announced he was going to run for office.  But I did not vote for him.  And like many, I feel he was the lesser of two evils (FAR better than the alternative!). I hope, for the sake of all of us, that he does good things for our country.  I wish Melania would change his twitter password.  I don’t agree with everything he says, but I do like his bluntness.  I like that he seems to be against what the likes of AOC and the far-left crowd are trying to impose on us.

 

I also agree with the majority of your post that I am quoting here.  But you did waltz in with a bit of an attitude and name-calling.  Which is ironic, since you fit in well with most of us here in CEHST.  Again, welcome to the fray.

 

(Also, assault rifles are already banned, with the exception of a few hundred from the old days)

Thats what I was trying to explain. Its bizarre that you would open a conversation with name calling and finger pointing and expect smiles and harmonious warble notes in reply 

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4 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I just dont get how people buy the : He is a racist and Homophobic" argument 

Because the main stream media gods have proclaimed him so..........and the hate of Trump overrides all logic, truth, and reason.

[Crazy Cat 39,375]

It is just beyond belief that some people still believe what the media gods say after the damage they have done to this country over the last 3 years.......they weren't just misinformed.  They actively, intentionally participated in an attempt to unseat a legally elected POTUS with the goal of doing as much damage to him and his family as possible.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,319]

Just now, missileman said:

It is just beyond belief that some people still believe what the media gods say after the damage they have done to this country over the last 3 years.......they weren't just misinformed.  They actively, intentionally participated in an attempt to unseat a legally elected POTUS with the goal of doing as much damage to him and his family as possible.

And anybody with two brain ganglia lit up at the same time recognize this

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46 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

But as long as we are bashing Trump, you’re fine with that, I take it? I mean, the Fat Orange Nixon is sure to destroy America, amirite?  Our women are not safe when they leave their homes!  Mango Mussolini must go, if we are to have a stable economy ever again.  America is doomed with him in charge.

don't forget his Nazi white supremist leanings, his hate of all things immigration, his committment to his campaign promises,  

 

it's ok to scream impeach the MFucker in a political setting, F*** Trump at a celebration of performers, hang him in effigy, wear pu**y hats at a feminist protest of his election ... these are the acts of sane people? 

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1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Well said. I agree with you 100%. What I dont understand Trump is one of the most centrist Pubs in years.  Prison Reform, Calling for Homosexuality to be decriminalized around the world. Afircan Americans are better economically than ever before. 

He is pushing inner city reform. He pardoned Alice Johnson and asked NFL players for ideas on others than should be pardoned 

 

I just dont get how people buy the : He is a racist and Homophobic" argument 

This is so true, but politically, the Dems have come down with a really bad case of TDS.  I wonder if there is a vaccine for that.

[Boiler 43,588]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

This is so true, but politically, the Dems have come down with a really bad case of TDS.  I wonder if there is a vaccine for that.

Seems terminal

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14 hours ago, Prizm123 said:

someone who can see both sides, someone who can see faults in their side as well as the other instead of blind allegiance

 

i criticize democrats all the time and i despise Pelosi and think that Omar should not be re elected, but for some reason none of that matters because anyone who is left of center is labelled as "**" by the right

 

i am pro gun but anti NRA, meaning i dont want to ban assault rifles but think that we do need some controls on who gets to have guns. i dont think that is such a bad thing

i don't support welfare for rich people

i am pro death penalty, and pro choice (mostly because it is none of the government's business)

i dont support illegal immigration and do not support getting rid of ice

i do support strong national defense, but do not support wasting money on it - i think we spend way too much on it especially trying to be policeman to the world

i do support having medicare to be available to everyone as an option alongside regular insurance

i do not support religion, and think churches should be taxed like corporations,

i do support the right to fair labor laws and unions

i think that big pharma needs to be controlled and that medicare should be allowed to negotiate drug prices

i think lobbying should be banned

i like clean air and water and food

i think we should go towards more renewable energy

i do not think that the country is going in the right direction regarding wealth inequality

 

so go ahead and throw out all the epithets you throw, it doesnt bother me.

 

Okay, so in reading your list of self proclaimed virtues you do realize with the exception of killing babies and Medicare for all that these are all Trump's positions too????? So why is it garbage (your word) when it's him and a virtue when it's you???? 

 

Can you elaborate on what exactly it is that you call "garbage" or discuss rationally without name calling and insulting people what specific policies of the president that you find objectionable??? I'm not talking about his personality or his twitter use or the others things that many find annoying, but actual policy. 

 

 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,319]

31 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

This is so true, but politically, the Dems have come down with a really bad case of TDS.  I wonder if there is a vaccine for that.

Thank you for using one of the most ingenious,  descriptive and easy to use terms ever invented on VJ, to describe mdl with with abnormal Trunp hate, in a mod approved manner 

 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

51 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

This is so true, but politically, the Dems have come down with a really bad case of TDS.  I wonder if there is a vaccine for that.

 

  In 8 years of Obama's presidency, we did not see any advancements made in ODS treatment. I would not expect to see to see any improvement in TDS either. Time is all that's needed. They will run their course. Epidemiological data indicates four or eight years is generally all that is needed for a complete recovery. 

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31 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  In 8 years of Obama's presidency, we did not see any advancements made in ODS treatment. I would not expect to see to see any improvement in TDS either. Time is all that's needed. They will run their course. Epidemiological data indicates four or eight years is generally all that is needed for a complete recovery. 

Agree but to attack Oboma daily  by public figures was not widely practiced or a accepted.  Its wall to wall 24 7 with trump

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7 hours ago, theresaL said:

Okay, so in reading your list of self proclaimed virtues you do realize with the exception of killing babies and Medicare for all that these are all Trump's positions too????? So why is it garbage (your word) when it's him and a virtue when it's you???? 

 

Can you elaborate on what exactly it is that you call "garbage" or discuss rationally without name calling and insulting people what specific policies of the president that you find objectionable??? I'm not talking about his personality or his twitter use or the others things that many find annoying, but actual policy. 

 

 

like ripping kids away from parents at the border

weakening our ties to traditional allies and NATO

his supply side tax scam that benefits the rich and is a permanent tax cut while the middle class tax cut expires in 2023

tariffs that really do nothing but hurt soybean farmers

running up the national debt to several trillion dollars more than it was before he took office

his coddling evangelicals and allowing them to push their religious beliefs on others in spite of the first amendment

he does not believe in freedom of speech, hence his war on anyone who criticizes him, the irony is that CNN and MSNBC and the like LOVE him and that is why they area always talking about him because that also gives ratings, because he is the bogeyman to the left. they are just as culpable in this charade as Fox, so i don't watch any of it.

his idea that there is something called "clean coal"

he does not believe in climate change

he does not believe in science (i know antivaxxers started on the far left, but they are part of the problem too)

he wants to cut social security and medicare, which by the way are not entitlements as everyone who works pays into it so that it would be available later in life.

he wants to get ride of the ACA instead of fixing the problems with it (and i admit is is not perfect, but it is so much better than having those people uninsured and having to wait to go to the ER whenever they get sick, which really hurts both the providers as well as everyone else who does have insurance), by the way you misrepresented what my position on medicare was, so nice job with making a false argument to attack

he doesn't believe in renewable energy so you can remove that from the list too

he wants to get rid of unions

he does not believe in living wages (i actually dont think a blanket minimum wage is the answer, but a wage based on geography and cost of living is a much more worthwhile pursuit)

he wants to gut the FDA, the EPA, and deregulate banks again which caused the last recession when they needed to be bailed out

the wall is a waste of money, that money could be better spent on more drones or agents or both

 

 

honestly, i shouldn't have to justify my positions to some random person on the internet coming at me the way you did, but there you go.

 

pro choice is not killing babies, by the way. it means it is that person's choice to terminate a pregnancy, essentially, its none of your business, and none of the governments business

i do draw the line at third trimesters, and if you are so pro life then you need to figure out how to reconcile raising this child that you are forcing someone to give birth to, even if it was the result of rape or incest. that is an abhorrent position. then again abortions would be reduced if contraception was more readily available and taught in schools instead of this ridiculous notion of abstinence, which will never happen.

 

i am probably the only person on earth who doesn't have a twitter, its useless

9 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Thats what I was trying to explain. Its bizarre that you would open a conversation with name calling and finger pointing and expect smiles and harmonious warble notes in reply 

i didnt expect that, i expected to be attacked even if i had never posted that just because of prior experiences with die hard trump supporters. so my bad in making a false assumption that people here are the same way. i made a mistake. i own it.

 

8 hours ago, Randyandyuni said:

don't forget his Nazi white supremist leanings, his hate of all things immigration, his committment to his campaign promises,  

 

it's ok to scream impeach the MFucker in a political setting, F*** Trump at a celebration of performers, hang him in effigy, wear pu**y hats at a feminist protest of his election ... these are the acts of sane people? 

you tell me, it goes both ways, and to pretend that one side is innocent is disingenious

Edited March 28, 2019 by Prizm123