Trump ending Salvadorian protection.

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

The Trump administration's decision to end special protections for nearly 200,0000 Salvadoran immigrants filled many Salvadoran families with dread Monday, raising the possibility that they will be forced to abandon their roots in the U.S. and return to a violent homeland they have not known for years, even decades"- Chicago Tribune 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-el-salvador-immigrants-deportation-protection-20180108-story.html

 

Questons, comments, cofve , concerns? 

 

 

 

[eieio 1,594]

It was a temporary order to help people. Temporary means it will end some day. This is the way it is supposed to work.  

 

It it would be similar to if you had a relative down on the their luck and you helped them out by letting them live with you for a couple of months. Then they just didn’t want to leave. So after a few years of mooching off you,you decide you must kick them out. So now they protest and are mad at you....when the reality is they are the ones breaking the verbal contract and you get painted as the bad guy...when the opposite is true. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

it's like it's trump's fav hobby to decimate immigrant families. trump disgusts me to no end.

yet again, the children of these tps recipients that are american citizens, are being rebranded as second class citizens by trump.

 

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The recent history of the U.S.’s relationship to El Salvador is laden with sweeping decisions made in Washington or other American cities. The decisions and policies frequently overlook or dismiss second- and third-order effects, creating new problems the governments of both countries are forced to grapple with years down the road.

In the 1980s, for instance, the U.S. backed the Salvadoran military and its death squads in a brutal counterinsurgency campaign that left tens of thousands of people dead or disappeared. The civil war helped fuel an exodus of refugees to the U.S., with many Salvadorans landing in cities like Los Angeles — the first use of TPS was, in fact, designed as a protection for Salvadorans fleeing the conflict. Growing up in struggling communities, some first-generation Salvadorans came together to protect themselves against American street gangs, sparking the creation of Salvadoran criminal groups such as Mara Salvatrucha, otherwise known as MS-13.

The so-called Golden Triangle, which includes El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala, has been routinely described as the most violent region of the world outside of conventional war zones.
Following the end of the civil war in the early 1990s, the U.S. began deporting Salvadorans in large numbers. With El Salvador’s weak institutions incapable of responding to the influx of violent actors, gangs like MS-13 steadily gained power in El Salvador itself, which in turn gave rise to an increasing number of Salvadoran civilians fleeing to the U.S. border seeking asylum. The cycle was evident in a surge of Central American refugees arriving at the U.S. border during the Obama administration, many of them Salvadoran families and unaccompanied children.

In recent years, the so-called Northern Triangle, which includes El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala, has been routinely described as the most violent region of the world outside of conventional war zones. The inability of the Salvadoran government to protect its people — not only from gangs but also from its own unaccountable security forces — is a critical factor in why TPS recipients and their advocates have argued for the program to remain in place. Indeed, gang violence was among the factors the U.S. government cited in renewing TPS for Salvadorans in 2016, and there is scant evidence to indicate a dramatic improvement on that front in the year since.

The Trump administration has been more than willing to point to the existence of groups like MS-13 as justification for an immigration crackdown that includes the targeting of virtually all of the nation’s 11 million undocumented immigrants. At the same time, however, the threat that those criminal groups would pose to individuals returned to El Salvador — individuals who have raised families in the U.S. and contributed to society and the American economy — apparently mattered little in the TPS deliberations.

In Monday’s call with reporters, the Trump administration official was explicit in saying that violence and instability in El Salvador was not part of the calculus in deciding to end TPS — it was earthquake recovery and earthquake recovery alone. “Anything else doesn’t really apply,” the official said. When asked if it was the administration’s position that families with mixed citizenship status should expect to return to a country frequently called the murder capital of the world, the official had no advice: “We’re not getting involved in individual family decisions.”

https://theintercept.com/2018/01/08/el-salvador-immigration-tps-trump/

2 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

They are not as American as us, if they are not citizens or have legal permanent residency. 

 

Kind like deciding who gets hurricane relief Americans or Puerto rico , who are not as American 

wha?

[spookyturtle 9,465]

26 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

They are not as American as us, if they are not citizens or have legal permanent residency. 

 

Kind like deciding who gets hurricane relief Americans or Puerto rico , who are not as American 

Except that Puerto Rican citizens are US citizens. 

[Dashinka 23,318]

Just curious, the first person they mentioned in the article is married to a USC.  Under this program, we’re they not allowed to adjust if they married a USC?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

4 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

Except that Puerto Rican citizens are US citizens. 

do you have any links to back up this far flung statement 

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Just now, Nature Boy Flair said:

do you have any links to back up this far flung statement 

Look it up. 

 

[yuna628 9,533]

38 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

They are not as American as us, if they are not citizens or have legal permanent residency. 

 

Kind like deciding who gets hurricane relief Americans or Puerto rico , who are not as American 

..... you're having a vehicle rollover on purpose aren't you?!

 

 

 

 

[charmander 692]

11 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

do you have any links to back up this far flung statement 

You're at a coffee shop in Amsterdam, aren't you?

[Dashinka 23,318]

1 hour ago, eieio said:

It was a temporary order to help people. Temporary means it will end some day. This is the way it is supposed to work.  

 

It it would be similar to if you had a relative down on the their luck and you helped them out by letting them live with you for a couple of months. Then they just didn’t want to leave. So after a few years of mooching off you,you decide you must kick them out. So now they protest and are mad at you....when the reality is they are the ones breaking the verbal contract and you get painted as the bad guy...when the opposite is true. 

I don’t think you get it, they only call it temporary for the low information crowd.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

26 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

..... you're having a vehicle rollover on purpose aren't you?!

 

 

 

 

[Póg mo 1,749]

9 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I don’t think you get it, they only call it temporary for the low information crowd.

The ones who don't know Puerto Rico is a US territory? Temporary? Just like the aid to Salvadorian government death squads temporary I suppose.  Tell me more about Trump'ss supposed "christian" values, as I would love to hear how this action fits in with said values.

[Dashinka 23,318]

10 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

The ones who don't know Puerto Rico is a US territory? Temporary? Just like the aid to Salvadorian government death squads temporary I suppose.  Tell me more about Trump'ss supposed "christian" values, as I would love to hear how this action fits in with said values.

Isn’t this thread about El Salvador?  You can go back to the PR hurricane thread if you want?  Regardless, what would have to happen for you to end a “temporary” program?

[TBoneTX 43,290]

A post violating TOS has been removed, along with a post quoting.  We can disagree without being disagreeable.

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

4 hours ago, Póg mo said:

The ones who don't know Puerto Rico is a US territory? Temporary? Just like the aid to Salvadorian government death squads temporary I suppose.  Tell me more about Trump'ss supposed "christian" values, as I would love to hear how this action fits in with said values.

Is it really a secret that Trump is neither Christian or Conservative?

The guy just dances for whatever crowd that makes him feel like hes worth something. 
Like with this piece of policy(Salvadorians) , him pardoning the convicted sheriff , and holding Dreamers hostage for 18 billion dollars.
 

Edited January 9, 2018 by Keith & Arileidi