Trump ending Salvadorian protection.

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

8 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

He is running for the Senate.  Isn’t he older than McCain?

That would explain his *prehistoric views on immagration.

 

* No offense to my boy Fred Flintstone. 

#blackBBQ

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

10 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

and a criminal. an old, nasty criminal.

Age ain't nothing but a number.. his cell mate would have loved him for who he us. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

9 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

and a criminal. an old, nasty criminal.

He was found guilty , but pardoned so he is technically not a criminal.  Kind of like someone who tried his best to kill a cop and failed is not technically a cop killer. 

 

As for old . No argument there, imho too old to be an effective senator for a full term, but this is still America let the voters decide. Let's hope we see 85 and still function as well as he does.

 

As for nasty. That's petty and beneath your usual level of participation. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

2 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

He was found guilty , but pardoned so he is technically not a criminal.  Kind of like someone who tried his best to kill a cop and failed is not technically a cop killer. 

 

As for old . No argument there, imho too old to be an effective senator for a full term, but this is still America let the voters decide. Let's hope we see 85 and still function as well as he does.

 

As for nasty. That's petty and beneath your usual level of participation. 

anyone who tramples human rights is nasty to me. nothing petty about it.

he was pardoned by trump, so in my mind its a criminal pardoning a criminal..

 

Edited January 10, 2018 by smilesammich

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

3 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

anyone who tramples human rights is nasty to me. nothing petty about it.

he was pardoned by trump, so in my mind its a criminal pardoning a criminal..

 

Being in this country illegally is not a human right 

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Being in this country illegally is not a human right 

human rights have nothing to do with borders, they're universal.

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

42 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Being in this country illegally is not a human right 

He got in trouble for racial profiling.. 

It's a civil right whether you have a lawful or unlawful presense. 

 

The same goes for the former New York stop and frisk laws. Totally unconstitutional. 

 

Not even an argument.. that's why he was convicted and sentenced to 6 months in prison. 

Edited January 10, 2018 by Keith & Arileidi

[sinayion 29]

On 09/01/2018 at 7:04 AM, Nature Boy Flair said:

do you have any links to back up this far flung statement 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_citizenship

I may also know why you made the mistake, as well. You're thinking of American Samoa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Samoa#Nationality.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

17 minutes ago, sinayion said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_citizenship

I may also know why you made the mistake, as well. You're thinking of American Samoa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Samoa#Nationality.

Maybe that is it. I was thinking Puerto Ricans were Samoan. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

8 hours ago, smilesammich said:

and a criminal. an old, nasty criminal.

He was pardoned so technically no criminal.

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

27 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

He was pardoned so technically no criminal.

Gee wiz.. You people are making me do work again

"10. Effect of a pardon

While a presidential pardon will restore various rights lost as a result of the pardoned offense and should lessen to some extent the stigma arising from a conviction, it will not erase or expunge the record of your conviction. Therefore, even if you are granted a pardon, you must still disclose your conviction on any form where such information is required, although you may also disclose the fact that you received a pardon. In addition, most civil disabilities attendant upon a federal felony conviction, such as loss of the right to vote and hold state public office, are imposed by state rather than federal law, and also may be removed by state action. Because the federal pardon process is exacting and may be more time-consuming than analogous state procedures, you may wish to consult with the appropriate authorities in the state of your residence regarding the procedures for restoring your state civil rights."-justice.gov

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardon-information-and-instructions

[jayjayj 571]

I'm confused by two of the examples within this story.  

 

The first example is a person married to a U.S. citizen.  Why haven't they filed immigration paperwork for him to get a permanent green card?  Does his refugee status preclude him from doing so?

 

"Guillermo Mendoza, who came to the United States in 2000 when he was 19 years old, was anguished about what to do with his wife and two children who are U.S. citizens."

 

The second example is a man "raising two U.S. citizen step children".  They can't be his stepchildren unless he was legally married to their mother.  I guess it is possible that the mother wasn't or isn't a U.S. citizen, but the story seems to intentionally leave that out.  If the mother is a U.S. citizen, why haven't they filed immigration paperwork for the man to remain here permanently?

 

"Cristian Chavez Guevara, a 37-year-old Salvadoran immigrant in Houston who is raising two American stepchildren and a young cousin, said the decision would tear apart his family. He was unsure what to do."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[elmcitymaven 9,711]

On 1/10/2018 at 7:59 AM, Nature Boy Flair said:

He was found guilty , but pardoned so he is technically not a criminal.

A pardon does not vacate a conviction. Arpaio was still convicted but he does not have to serve his sentence. Arpaio's conviction was not expunged which would remove the conviction. Arpaio is still a convicted criminal. More info here from the Justice Department: https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions-concerning-executive-clemency#18

 

On 1/10/2018 at 7:59 AM, Nature Boy Flair said:

Kind of like someone who tried his best to kill a cop and failed is not technically a cop killer. 

No, but that person, if charged, could be convicted of attempted murder.

21 hours ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Gee wiz.. You people are making me do work again

"10. Effect of a pardon

While a presidential pardon will restore various rights lost as a result of the pardoned offense and should lessen to some extent the stigma arising from a conviction, it will not erase or expunge the record of your conviction. Therefore, even if you are granted a pardon, you must still disclose your conviction on any form where such information is required, although you may also disclose the fact that you received a pardon. In addition, most civil disabilities attendant upon a federal felony conviction, such as loss of the right to vote and hold state public office, are imposed by state rather than federal law, and also may be removed by state action. Because the federal pardon process is exacting and may be more time-consuming than analogous state procedures, you may wish to consult with the appropriate authorities in the state of your residence regarding the procedures for restoring your state civil rights."-justice.gov

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardon-information-and-instructions

Oops -- I didn't see this before I posted! You are quite correct.  

[Boiler 43,622]

I would have thought most people would be in favour of CIR, and this is one aspect long overdue.

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

I would have thought most people would be in favour of CIR, and this is one aspect long overdue.

There is a right and wrong way to go about it. IMO Destroying families is the wrong way. 

1 hour ago, Boiler said: