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Hello,

My dad applied for a tourist visa over 3 years ago and his interview kept getting pushed by a year every time thanks to COVID.

Today he finally had his interview. He told the IO that it's been 3 years since he came to visit us and while he couldn't come visit, he missed my wedding and his first grandson's birth. 

He was immediately denied on the grounds of 214b. We prepared his paperwork for months and made sure that he had any possible proof to show that he can not only pay for his trip, but has every intention of going back home.

The IO made it very clear that he's not interested in seeing ANY paperwork he had with him and immediately denied his case. It was almost like he made up his mind the moment he met my dad.

We're losing hope at this point and we're very frustrated. 

Is there anything I can do as a US citizen from here to help? Talk to a state senator? File I-134 form? We'll do anything at this point.

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Sadly, no.  You the USC cannot do anything (senator, I134, etc) your father must qualify on his own.

 

Him not being able to pay for his trip is a red flag, what evidence did you show that he must return to his home country.


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12 minutes ago, canadian_wife said:

Sadly, no.  You the USC cannot do anything (senator, I134, etc) your father must qualify on his own.

 

Him not being able to pay for his trip is a red flag, what evidence did you show that he must return to his home country.


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He brought a lot of paperwork that shows that he can very easily pay for his trip as well as evidence that shows that he owns a business with employees and therefore has every intention to go home. The IO specifically said that he doesn't want to see any of this, so he couldn't even prove any of that.

I suggested the I-134 not because my dad can't pay for his trip, but only because me being a citizen might help? I don't know anymore...

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Date Filed : 2017-11-11

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18 minutes ago, canadian_wife said:

Him not being able to pay for his trip is a red flag,

From the way OP said it, the father was able to pay for his own trip.

 

@skatz unfortunately, it’s not surprising he was denied. Having family in the US, especially immediate relatives such as children, significantly decreases his chances of obtaining a tourist visa. You as a US citizen can’t do anything for your father unfortunately. 

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2 minutes ago, skatz said:

I suggested the I-134 not because my dad can't pay for his trip, but only because me being a citizen might help?

Being a citizen harms his case.  Some parents of US citizens "visit", then stay.

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"The US immigration process requires a great deal of knowledge, planning, time, patience, and a significant amount of money.  It is quite a journey!"

- Some old child of the 50's & 60's on his laptop 

 

Senior Master Sergeant, US Air Force- Retired (after 20+ years)- Missile Systems Maintenance & Titan 2 ICBM Launch Crew Duty (200+ Alert tours)

Registered Nurse- Retired- I practiced in the areas of Labor & Delivery, Home Health, Adolescent Psych, & Adult Psych.

IT Professional- Retired- Web Site Design, Hardware Maintenance, Compound Pharmacy Software Trainer, On-site go live support, Database Manager, App Designer.

______________________________________

August 7, 2022: Wife filed N-400 Online under 5 year rule.

November 10, 2022: Received "Interview is scheduled" letter.

December 12, 2022:  Received email from Dallas office informing me (spouse) to be there for combo interview.

December 14, 2022: Combo Interview for I-751 and N-400 Conducted.

January 26, 2023: Wife's Oath Ceremony completed at the Plano Event Center, Plano, Texas!!!😁

February 6, 2023: Wife's Passport Application submitted in Dallas, Texas.

March 21, 2023:   Wife's Passport Delivered!!!!

May 15, 2023 (about):  Naturalization Certificate returned from Passport agency!!

 

In summary, it took 13 months for approval of the CR-1.  It took 44 months for approval of the I-751.  It took 4 months for approval of the N-400.   It took 172 days from N-400 application to Oath Ceremony.   It took 6 weeks for Passport, then 7 additional weeks for return of wife's Naturalization Certificate.. 
 

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1 minute ago, Crazy Cat said:

Being a citizen harms his case.  Some parents of US citizens "visit", then stay.

This is just outrageous, he has no intentions of staying here 😔 

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CIS Office : Vermont Service Center

Date Filed : 2020-10-16

NOA Date : 2020-10-30

New Card Ordered: 2021-06-15

Fingerprints Taken (reused) Date: 2021-06-15

Approval / Denial Date : 2021-06-15

Approved : Yes

 

Adjustment of Status

CIS Office : Philadelphia PA

Date Filed : 2017-11-11

NOA Date : 2017-11-18

RFE(s) : 2018-01-05

Bio. Appt. : 2017-11-29

Interview Date : 2019-01-02

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Approved : Yes

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What about applying for a Green Card for him, after this denial? Could this affect the decision?

Removal of Conditions

CIS Office : Vermont Service Center

Date Filed : 2020-10-16

NOA Date : 2020-10-30

New Card Ordered: 2021-06-15

Fingerprints Taken (reused) Date: 2021-06-15

Approval / Denial Date : 2021-06-15

Approved : Yes

 

Adjustment of Status

CIS Office : Philadelphia PA

Date Filed : 2017-11-11

NOA Date : 2017-11-18

RFE(s) : 2018-01-05

Bio. Appt. : 2017-11-29

Interview Date : 2019-01-02

Approval / Denial Date : 2019-01-05

Approved : Yes

GC Received: 2019-01-11

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1 minute ago, skatz said:

What about applying for a Green Card for him, after this denial? Could this affect the decision?

That would show immigrant intent.  That could harm his case for a B2 , as well. 

"The US immigration process requires a great deal of knowledge, planning, time, patience, and a significant amount of money.  It is quite a journey!"

- Some old child of the 50's & 60's on his laptop 

 

Senior Master Sergeant, US Air Force- Retired (after 20+ years)- Missile Systems Maintenance & Titan 2 ICBM Launch Crew Duty (200+ Alert tours)

Registered Nurse- Retired- I practiced in the areas of Labor & Delivery, Home Health, Adolescent Psych, & Adult Psych.

IT Professional- Retired- Web Site Design, Hardware Maintenance, Compound Pharmacy Software Trainer, On-site go live support, Database Manager, App Designer.

______________________________________

August 7, 2022: Wife filed N-400 Online under 5 year rule.

November 10, 2022: Received "Interview is scheduled" letter.

December 12, 2022:  Received email from Dallas office informing me (spouse) to be there for combo interview.

December 14, 2022: Combo Interview for I-751 and N-400 Conducted.

January 26, 2023: Wife's Oath Ceremony completed at the Plano Event Center, Plano, Texas!!!😁

February 6, 2023: Wife's Passport Application submitted in Dallas, Texas.

March 21, 2023:   Wife's Passport Delivered!!!!

May 15, 2023 (about):  Naturalization Certificate returned from Passport agency!!

 

In summary, it took 13 months for approval of the CR-1.  It took 44 months for approval of the I-751.  It took 4 months for approval of the N-400.   It took 172 days from N-400 application to Oath Ceremony.   It took 6 weeks for Passport, then 7 additional weeks for return of wife's Naturalization Certificate.. 
 

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3 minutes ago, skatz said:

This is just outrageous, he has no intentions of staying here 😔 

By law, every person who applies for a B2 is already assumed to have intent to stay in the US and adjust status.  It is his responsibility to overcome this assumption.

"The US immigration process requires a great deal of knowledge, planning, time, patience, and a significant amount of money.  It is quite a journey!"

- Some old child of the 50's & 60's on his laptop 

 

Senior Master Sergeant, US Air Force- Retired (after 20+ years)- Missile Systems Maintenance & Titan 2 ICBM Launch Crew Duty (200+ Alert tours)

Registered Nurse- Retired- I practiced in the areas of Labor & Delivery, Home Health, Adolescent Psych, & Adult Psych.

IT Professional- Retired- Web Site Design, Hardware Maintenance, Compound Pharmacy Software Trainer, On-site go live support, Database Manager, App Designer.

______________________________________

August 7, 2022: Wife filed N-400 Online under 5 year rule.

November 10, 2022: Received "Interview is scheduled" letter.

December 12, 2022:  Received email from Dallas office informing me (spouse) to be there for combo interview.

December 14, 2022: Combo Interview for I-751 and N-400 Conducted.

January 26, 2023: Wife's Oath Ceremony completed at the Plano Event Center, Plano, Texas!!!😁

February 6, 2023: Wife's Passport Application submitted in Dallas, Texas.

March 21, 2023:   Wife's Passport Delivered!!!!

May 15, 2023 (about):  Naturalization Certificate returned from Passport agency!!

 

In summary, it took 13 months for approval of the CR-1.  It took 44 months for approval of the I-751.  It took 4 months for approval of the N-400.   It took 172 days from N-400 application to Oath Ceremony.   It took 6 weeks for Passport, then 7 additional weeks for return of wife's Naturalization Certificate.. 
 

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3 minutes ago, skatz said:

What about applying for a Green Card for him, after this denial? Could this affect the decision?

So after all the intention for him is to live in the US? 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, skatz said:

What about applying for a Green Card for him, after this denial? Could this affect the decision?

applying for green card only useful if ur father intend to live in US for minimum 6 months / year. 

otherwise there's no use of applying for greencard if he's only visiting for less than 6 months / year

 

for most tourist visa appointment, the officer hardly ask for evidences/proofs. i heard story that the officer usually already made their mind based on the DS-260.

 

i brought tons many decade ago and the officer told me not to give anything that he didnt ask for

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Just now, Crazy Cat said:

That would show immigrant intent.  That could harm his case for a B2 , as well. 

Oh no, what I mean by that is if nothing else works, and he just can't get a tourist visa, maybe a different approach would work - get him a green card.

My last question was around whether the tourist visa denial could affect the decision on the GC case. That's a long shot I feel like

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Date Filed : 2020-10-16

NOA Date : 2020-10-30

New Card Ordered: 2021-06-15

Fingerprints Taken (reused) Date: 2021-06-15

Approval / Denial Date : 2021-06-15

Approved : Yes

 

Adjustment of Status

CIS Office : Philadelphia PA

Date Filed : 2017-11-11

NOA Date : 2017-11-18

RFE(s) : 2018-01-05

Bio. Appt. : 2017-11-29

Interview Date : 2019-01-02

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Approved : Yes

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8 minutes ago, powerpuff said:

From the way OP said it, the father was able to pay for his own trip.

Thanks!  you are right, I misread

 

OP  - I think you are also right, the IO made is mind up before the interview

What country is your father from?

 

Good luck 

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Medical
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1 minute ago, powerpuff said:

So after all the intention for him is to live in the US? 

It's really not, but if the tourist visa option is off the table, I must try to find a different way.

Removal of Conditions

CIS Office : Vermont Service Center

Date Filed : 2020-10-16

NOA Date : 2020-10-30

New Card Ordered: 2021-06-15

Fingerprints Taken (reused) Date: 2021-06-15

Approval / Denial Date : 2021-06-15

Approved : Yes

 

Adjustment of Status

CIS Office : Philadelphia PA

Date Filed : 2017-11-11

NOA Date : 2017-11-18

RFE(s) : 2018-01-05

Bio. Appt. : 2017-11-29

Interview Date : 2019-01-02

Approval / Denial Date : 2019-01-05

Approved : Yes

GC Received: 2019-01-11

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1 minute ago, skatz said:

Oh no, what I mean by that is if nothing else works, and he just can't get a tourist visa, maybe a different approach would work - get him a green card.

My last question was around whether the tourist visa denial could affect the decision on the GC case. That's a long shot I feel like

A B2 denial, in itself, will not impact an immigrant visa.  So, he does have immigrant intent?

"The US immigration process requires a great deal of knowledge, planning, time, patience, and a significant amount of money.  It is quite a journey!"

- Some old child of the 50's & 60's on his laptop 

 

Senior Master Sergeant, US Air Force- Retired (after 20+ years)- Missile Systems Maintenance & Titan 2 ICBM Launch Crew Duty (200+ Alert tours)

Registered Nurse- Retired- I practiced in the areas of Labor & Delivery, Home Health, Adolescent Psych, & Adult Psych.

IT Professional- Retired- Web Site Design, Hardware Maintenance, Compound Pharmacy Software Trainer, On-site go live support, Database Manager, App Designer.

______________________________________

August 7, 2022: Wife filed N-400 Online under 5 year rule.

November 10, 2022: Received "Interview is scheduled" letter.

December 12, 2022:  Received email from Dallas office informing me (spouse) to be there for combo interview.

December 14, 2022: Combo Interview for I-751 and N-400 Conducted.

January 26, 2023: Wife's Oath Ceremony completed at the Plano Event Center, Plano, Texas!!!😁

February 6, 2023: Wife's Passport Application submitted in Dallas, Texas.

March 21, 2023:   Wife's Passport Delivered!!!!

May 15, 2023 (about):  Naturalization Certificate returned from Passport agency!!

 

In summary, it took 13 months for approval of the CR-1.  It took 44 months for approval of the I-751.  It took 4 months for approval of the N-400.   It took 172 days from N-400 application to Oath Ceremony.   It took 6 weeks for Passport, then 7 additional weeks for return of wife's Naturalization Certificate.. 
 

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