Biden says troops should be dishonorably discharged if they disobey order to get Covid vaccine

[Dashinka 24,597]

Biden really cares about those that volunteered to serve.

 

Biden says troops should be dishonorably discharged if they disobey order to get Covid vaccine

 

The White House said Tuesday it 'strongly opposes' a provision of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that prohibits the Pentagon from punishing or dishonorably discharging any service member who refuses a vaccine. 
 

'The Administration strongly opposes section 716, which would detract from readiness and limit a commander's options for enforcing good order and discipline when a Service member fails to obey a lawful order to receive a vaccination,' the White House Office of Management and Budget said in a statement on the yearly bill that funds the Pentagon. 

 

'To enable a uniformed force to fight with discipline, commanders must have the ability to give orders and take appropriate disciplinary measures.'

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10018635/Biden-says-troops-dishonorably-discharged-fail-Covid-vaccine.html

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

How is this vaccine different from the 15 plus other vaccine members are required to have?  If they didn't object to the others, they have no standing to object to Covid vaccine. 

[TBoneTX 45,537]

It's experimental, untested in the typical ways (animal trials, et al.), with unknown long-term side effects, and arguably more current and serious side effects than any other vaccine.

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

I was going to answer, but reality is hard for some to grasp.  Let's just go with Tbone's factual answer.

[Ban Hammer 13,403]

2 hours ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

How is this vaccine different from the 15 plus other vaccine members are required to have?  If they didn't object to the others, they have no standing to object to Covid vaccine. 

like the anthrax shot i had to take prior to desert storm?

During Operation Desert Storm, 41% of U.S. combat soldiers and 75% of UK combat soldiers were vaccinated against anthrax. Reactions included local skin irritation, some lasting for weeks or months. While the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved the vaccine, it never went through large-scale clinical trials.
(the above from wikipedia)

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Some Gulf War veterans are suffering lingering consequences of the anthrax vaccine they received 30 years ago because they lack the genetic tools to deal with toxins in the inoculation, a University of Minnesota (UM) neuroscience research team says. These former servicemembers face increasingly serious health problems similar to those suffered by other veterans who have been diagnosed with Gulf War Illness (GWI).

“They lack very specific genes that would enable them to manufacture antibodies against the anthrax antigens,” says Apostolos Georgopoulos, American Legion Chair of Brain Sciences at UM, research team leader and recipient of the Legion’s 2017 Distinguished Service Medal. “These antigens (toxins) stay in the lymph nodes for decades” and continue to make veterans sick. 

https://www.legion.org/magazine/250025/toxic-effects

[Dashinka 24,597]

6 hours ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

How is this vaccine different from the 15 plus other vaccine members are required to have?  If they didn't object to the others, they have no standing to object to Covid vaccine. 

15 plus?  Where is your reference?  Btw, why do they not acknowledge the members of the military that have recovered from Covid?  The entire point is there are very few vaccines required for all military members (not including childhood vaccines), and most of those are well studied (I.e. more than a year), and currently we only have one FDA approved vaccine.  Anyway, if you are fine with potentially losing 40-60% of the military, then I guess you agree with the stick method.

 

https://vaxopedia.org/2018/06/24/which-vaccines-do-you-get-when-you-join-the-military/

[jg121783 3,917]

8 hours ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

How is this vaccine different from the 15 plus other vaccine members are required to have?  If they didn't object to the others, they have no standing to object to Covid vaccine. 

The difference is the other vaccines are FDA approved. There is currently no FDA approved version of the covid vaccine available to the public. So they are being forced to take an experimental vaccine while being told its FDA approved.

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

17 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

like the anthrax shot i had to take prior to desert storm?

During Operation Desert Storm, 41% of U.S. combat soldiers and 75% of UK combat soldiers were vaccinated against anthrax. Reactions included local skin irritation, some lasting for weeks or months. While the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved the vaccine, it never went through large-scale clinical trials.
(the above from wikipedia)

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Some Gulf War veterans are suffering lingering consequences of the anthrax vaccine they received 30 years ago because they lack the genetic tools to deal with toxins in the inoculation, a University of Minnesota (UM) neuroscience research team says. These former servicemembers face increasingly serious health problems similar to those suffered by other veterans who have been diagnosed with Gulf War Illness (GWI).

“They lack very specific genes that would enable them to manufacture antibodies against the anthrax antigens,” says Apostolos Georgopoulos, American Legion Chair of Brain Sciences at UM, research team leader and recipient of the Legion’s 2017 Distinguished Service Medal. “These antigens (toxins) stay in the lymph nodes for decades” and continue to make veterans sick. 

https://www.legion.org/magazine/250025/toxic-effects

Are you saying it is like the anthrax shot?

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

11 hours ago, jg121783 said:

The difference is the other vaccines are FDA approved. There is currently no FDA approved version of the covid vaccine available to the public. So they are being forced to take an experimental vaccine while being told its FDA approved.

Where are you getting your information?

1. Emergency approval is approval

2. Pfizer becomes first Covid vaccine to gain full FDA approval. august 22.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58309254

 

Edited September 24, 2021 by Crtcl Rice Theory

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

13 hours ago, Dashinka said:

15 plus?  Where is your reference?  Btw, why do they not acknowledge the members of the military that have recovered from Covid?  The entire point is there are very few vaccines required for all military members (not including childhood vaccines), and most of those are well studied (I.e. more than a year), and currently we only have one FDA approved vaccine.  Anyway, if you are fine with potentially losing 40-60% of the military, then I guess you agree with the stick method.

 

https://vaxopedia.org/2018/06/24/which-vaccines-do-you-get-when-you-join-the-military/

Losing half of our military because they need to be vaccinated? What is the source of your information?

 

This is old but the NIH calls out 17 vaccines mandated

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK220954/

[Dashinka 24,597]

Just now, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

Losing half of our military because they need to be vaccinated? What is the source of your information?

 

This is old but the NIH calls out 17 vaccines mandated

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK220954/

Apparently you did not read either link I posted.  The original post showed 800,000 out of 1.4 million troops have yet to get the Covid19 vaccine.  Last time I checked, 800,000/1.4 million is greater than 50%, and if Biden follows through with dishonorably discharging those that decide not to get it, what are we left with.  As to the other link, not all vaccines are required for all service members.  Even the fine print on the link you posted says that, so not all service members get all 17 vaccines.

 

[jg121783 3,917]

 

6 minutes ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

1. Emergency approval is approval

Emergency use authorization and full FDA approval are two very different things.

 

7 minutes ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

2. Pfizer becomes first Covid vaccine to gain full FDA approval. august

Pfizer has A vaccine that we are told is now FDA approved (though we have to wait a couple years for the documentation to be made public for some odd reason and when a treatment for a given illness gains FDA approval all emergency use treatments for that illness are supposed to be discontinued). However the vaccine we are being told is FDA approved as I stated in my previous post is not available to the public. There is literally no FDA approved covid vaccine available to the public right now.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,376]

The real issue is Mission Readiness. 20 deaths a year, although tragic, is not the driving factor.

The way the military operates it would be  inevitable, that when a outbreak occurs it would spread rapidly.  Close living quarters, life on a ship, Transport planes loaded with Troops, and of course the never ending meetings. 

  You get the picture.  So all of a sudden you got COVID spreading rapidly through a Division. That Military unit would very possibly become  non- combat ready very quickly. This could have tragic consequences, especially for a deployed unit.

 

As for health dangers to the military members.  Remember they are generally a young and healthy population sample, so of course they would have lower hospitalization rates and drastically lower death rates. Stil doesn't mean even mild cases of Covid, could not sideline large military units.

 

Think! The military also requires vaccines for several other generally non fatal diseases. 

 

It's all about mission Readiness 

[jg121783 3,917]

2 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

The real issue is Mission Readiness. 20 deaths a year, although tragic, is not the driving factor.

The way the military operates it would be  inevitable, that when a outbreak occurs it would spread rapidly.  Close living quarters, life on a ship, Transport planes loaded with Troops, and of course the never ending meetings. 

  You get the picture.  So all of a sudden you got COVID spreading rapidly through a Division. That Military unit would very possibly become  non- combat ready very quickly. This could have tragic consequences, especially for a deployed unit.

 

As for health dangers to the military members.  Remember they are generally a young and healthy population sample, so of course they would have lower hospitalization rates and drastically lower death rates. Stil doesn't mean even mild cases of Covid, could not sideline large military units.

 

Think! The military also requires vaccines for several other generally non fatal diseases. 

 

It's all about mission Readiness 

There has yet to be a covid outbreak in the military that has even come close to affecting mission readiness. Were almost 2 years into this and we are supposed to worry about an outbreak in the military all of a sudden? I think our commander in chief is by far the biggest impediment on mission readiness but that is a subject for another time.

[laylalex 7,293]

Cominarty (FDA approved vaccine) and the Pfizer vaccine are the same thing. https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-are-pfizers-comirnaty-and-biontech-covid-19-vaccines-the-same-or-different

 

It is incorrect to say that the Pfizer vaccine that was used prior to full FDA approval is a different formulation. It is exactly the same vaccine. Please read the article which explains why there is some confusion.