Removing nuclear launch powers from President Biden would be 'wildly unconstitutional': Mike Lee

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,376]

What am I missing here? Bizarre or is fox making it to be something other than it appears? 

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nuclear-launch-code-power-changed-joe-biden-mike-lee

 

Democrats sent a letter urging president to give up sole power over launch codes

[Steeleballz 7,550]

55 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

What am I missing here? Bizarre or is fox making it to be something other than it appears? 

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nuclear-launch-code-power-changed-joe-biden-mike-lee

 

Democrats sent a letter urging president to give up sole power over launch codes

 

  You are getting your news from FOX. It's like getting your nutritional information from Chef Boyardee. That's all it is.

[B_J 2,752]

Thirty-one House Democrats signed the letter, including Ted Lieu (D-CA) and Illhan Omar (D-MO). The letter also offered four alternatives to vesting the sole power to launch a nuclear weapon in the office of the president. It proposed allowing the Vice President and speaker of the House “to concur with a launch order, utilizing the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s tracking of those officials to ensure prompt communication.”

Another proposal suggested that the President seek approval from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff and the attorney general. The third suggestion would put power on Congressional hands and force the President to seek its approval. The fourth would have the most far reaching consequences. “Creating a permanent active council of congressional leaders that would regularly participate in deliberations with the executive branch on vital national security issues and mandate some portion of the council be consulted before the first use of nuclear weapons.”

 

https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjp57d/democrats-ask-biden-to-give-up-his-unilateral-power-to-launch-nukes

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

17 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  You are getting your news from FOX. It's like getting your nutritional information from Chef Boyardee. That's all it is.

I would tweak the analogy, getting your news from Fox only is like getting your bodily nutrition from Chef Boyardee 

[TBoneTX 45,498]

2 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

Chef Boyardee 

= one of the major food groups

[Dashinka 24,591]

37 minutes ago, B_J said:

Thirty-one House Democrats signed the letter, including Ted Lieu (D-CA) and Illhan Omar (D-MO). The letter also offered four alternatives to vesting the sole power to launch a nuclear weapon in the office of the president. It proposed allowing the Vice President and speaker of the House “to concur with a launch order, utilizing the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s tracking of those officials to ensure prompt communication.”

Another proposal suggested that the President seek approval from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff and the attorney general. The third suggestion would put power on Congressional hands and force the President to seek its approval. The fourth would have the most far reaching consequences. “Creating a permanent active council of congressional leaders that would regularly participate in deliberations with the executive branch on vital national security issues and mandate some portion of the council be consulted before the first use of nuclear weapons.”

 

https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjp57d/democrats-ask-biden-to-give-up-his-unilateral-power-to-launch-nukes

It seems they are either still living in the past (i.e. in the Trump administration), or they have some issues with Old Joe's mental fitness.  The article is a little misleading, the Left was saying the same thing about Reagan, and neither Trump or Reagan ever launched a nuclear weapon.  Heck, Trump didn't even start any new wars.  Yeah, it is always better to respond to a nuclear attack by getting a committee to agree. 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,376]

4 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  You are getting your news from FOX. It's like getting your nutritional information from Chef Boyardee. That's all it is.

Ha Ha but serious. Whats your take on this ?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

27 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Ha Ha but serious. Whats your take on this ?

 

  Actually,  I never thought having the president solely responsible for nuclear launch codes was a great idea anyway. IIRC, back in the day, the secretary of defense had to second the launch order, but was not allowed to stop it. Not sure if it is different now. 

[Ban Hammer 13,399]

5 hours ago, B_J said:

Thirty-one House Democrats signed the letter, including Ted Lieu (D-CA) and Illhan Omar (D-MO). The letter also offered four alternatives to vesting the sole power to launch a nuclear weapon in the office of the president. It proposed allowing the Vice President and speaker of the House “to concur with a launch order, utilizing the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s tracking of those officials to ensure prompt communication.”

Another proposal suggested that the President seek approval from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff and the attorney general. The third suggestion would put power on Congressional hands and force the President to seek its approval. The fourth would have the most far reaching consequences. “Creating a permanent active council of congressional leaders that would regularly participate in deliberations with the executive branch on vital national security issues and mandate some portion of the council be consulted before the first use of nuclear weapons.”

 

https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjp57d/democrats-ask-biden-to-give-up-his-unilateral-power-to-launch-nukes

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,376]

49 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Actually,  I never thought having the president solely responsible for nuclear launch codes was a great idea anyway. IIRC, back in the day, the secretary of defense had to second the launch order, but was not allowed to stop it. Not sure if it is different now. 

I would guess that nobody is going to launch nuclear them  unless there is a darn good reason, regardless of what the prez says

Edited February 25, 2021 by Nature Boy 2.0

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

2 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Actually,  I never thought having the president solely responsible for nuclear launch codes was a great idea anyway. IIRC, back in the day, the secretary of defense had to second the launch order, but was not allowed to stop it. Not sure if it is different now. 

Except that he isn't the sole person that authorizes a launch.  There has to be at least two people with multiple steps in between. So any step in the cog can say no they don't want to follow that order.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 minute ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Except that he isn't the sole person that authorizes a launch.  There has to be at least two people with multiple steps in between. So any step in the cog can say no they don't want to follow that order.

 

  What officer says no because they don't want to follow an order? 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

16 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  What officer says no because they don't want to follow an order? 

So you are echoing what Nazis said as well at Nuremburg. 

[TBoneTX 45,498]

The most tense period will be between the time when they realize that they should 25th-Amendment Biden and the time when they actually do 25th-Amendment Biden.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

49 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

So you are echoing what Nazis said as well at Nuremburg. 

   No, I am not offering a court defense or justifying actions. I am telling you a fact. The President authorizes the launch, Pentagon confirms, officers follow orders.

 

   The end sequence requires 2 officers (out of 5) in order to launch. You are imagining a scenario where 4 out of 5 officers would have to not follow orders. It would not likely ever happen in reality.