Joe Biden says coal miners should 'learn to program'

[90DayFinancier 910]

Scripting and coding are basic skills in the information economy. Sql to query databases, JavaScript to make a SharePoint form, R /python for a Power BI visual, create a function Excel: all valuable life skills that can be mastered by most adults. Very value added in business operations, marketing, sales, finance.

 

These are not traditional c++ coding And testing roles and yet there are plenty of opportunities.

 

Salesforce and ServiceNow are two exciting platforms that allow novice programmers quickly create value added forms, workflows and reports, no CS degree required.

 

 

There is no reason for folks to scoff and laugh at the idea of retooling ones skills as most people change careers multiple times in their life.

 

If you don't have the patience for it but have dank meme posting talent, you do you. But why laugh at those who want to break away from a tired dying industry.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 1, 2020 by 90DayFinancier

[Ban Hammer 12,863]

one post removed for tos.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

Not in my opinion, but to each their own. My grandfather would never let anyone tell him what he could or couldn't do, and he made a point to learn a multitude of different trades. If he was still alive now I could see my husband teaching him all sorts of stuff.

 

That being said the path is a hard one and filled with scams. Ridiculous story on the subject can be found here... https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/12/us/mined-minds-west-virginia-coding.html

Still, even a good chunk of these people found some successful path forward.

Interesting.

 

It's incredibly hard to be ADD/ADHD and code. I know this because my first major (right out of high school) was Comp Sci. Simultaneously, I was also a video game tester working for prominent companies in Redwood Shores (which also required a level of persistence and patience that destroyed my love for video games). Having to spend hours sifting through code to figure out where you messed up requires a type of patience not even gallons of carb/caffeine-dense drinks can overcome. When I worked for a certain search engine's HQ in Mountain View, we had programmers in front page with monitor setups I found enviable, but watching what they had to go through made me empathize. 

[Dashinka 23,313]

54 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Scripting and coding are basic skills in the information economy. Sql to query databases, JavaScript to make a SharePoint form, R /python for a Power BI visual, create a function Excel: all valuable life skills that can be mastered by most adults. Very value added in business operations, marketing, sales, finance.

 

These are not traditional c++ coding And testing roles and yet there are plenty of opportunities.

 

Salesforce and ServiceNow are two exciting platforms that allow novice programmers quickly create value added forms, workflows and reports, no CS degree required.

 

 

There is no reason for folks to scoff and laugh at the idea of retooling ones skills as most people change careers multiple times in their life.

 

If you don't have the patience for it but have dank meme posting talent, you do you. But why laugh at those who want to break away from a tired dying industry.

 

 

 

 

Working with several millennial IT professionals, it seems their training is lacking in failure mode effects analysis.  They seem to think that glitches which come up with their written code are just minor issues to be corrected in the future.  Of course when that code impacts large numbers of products in the field, it can become quite costly which could have been avoided if the problems were analyzed prior to putting the code in production.

[90DayFinancier 910]

15 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Working with several millennial IT professionals, it seems their training is lacking in failure mode effects analysis.  They seem to think that glitches which come up with their written code are just minor issues to be corrected in the future.  Of course when that code impacts large numbers of products in the field, it can become quite costly which could have been avoided if the problems were analyzed prior to putting the code in production.

I cannot disagree with that sentiment, but I don't think Millennials are the only afflicted generation.

 

[laylalex 7,252]

Just asked Al about this as he just woke up and is the person around here who codes. He said in his experience that's a leadership problem more than a generational one -- they had to learn it from somewhere. 

[90DayFinancier 910]

15 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Just asked Al about this as he just woke up and is the person around here who codes. He said in his experience that's a leadership problem more than a generational one -- they had to learn it from somewhere. 

You woke him up to ask him a question about SDLC? Poor man!

 

 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,325]

1 hour ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Scripting and coding are basic skills in the information economy. Sql to query databases, JavaScript to make a SharePoint form, R /python for a Power BI visual, create a function Excel: all valuable life skills that can be mastered by most adults. Very value added in business operations, marketing, sales, finance.

 

These are not traditional c++ coding And testing roles and yet there are plenty of opportunities.

 

Salesforce and ServiceNow are two exciting platforms that allow novice programmers quickly create value added forms, workflows and reports, no CS degree required.

 

 

There is no reason for folks to scoff and laugh at the idea of retooling ones skills as most people change careers multiple times in their life.

 

If you don't have the patience for it but have dank meme posting talent, you do you. But why laugh at those who want to break away from a tired dying industry.

 

 

 

 

The point you are choosing to miss is, he said if you can dig coal you can learn to code, which is absurd. Now had he said. We must invest in programs to teach them other trades, then no big deal.

[laylalex 7,252]

42 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

You woke him up to ask him a question about SDLC? Poor man!

 

 

Haha no. I'd woken him up with my sneezing.

[90DayFinancier 910]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

The point you are choosing to miss is, he said if you can dig coal you can learn to code, which is absurd. Now had he said. We must invest in programs to teach them other trades, then no big deal.

Why is that absurd?  These workers have learned complex operations.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,325]

1 hour ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Why is that absurd?  These workers have learned complex operations.

[90DayFinancier 910]

6 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

You are the T-bone of meme posting.

[Ban Hammer 12,863]

1 minute ago, 90DayFinancier said:

You are the T-bone of meme posting.

now THAT is an insult. 

Edited January 1, 2020 by Ban Hammer

[spookyturtle 9,465]

If we ban AR’s and have stricter gun laws coal miners will be fine. 

[Lemonslice 4,569]

Great thing about coal mining is that retirement does not last long, so these workers won't get social security for too long.

/s