Proof of trip expenses responsibility.

[igoyougoduke 1,614]

2 hours ago, Tarik said:

Thx I was hoping to hear from people who went through similar situations. As I mentioned I've done read all the info on the consulate website. 

" If you cannot cover all the costs for your trip, you may show evidence that another person will cover some or all costs for your trip." 

your odds are better transferring money to her account abroad if the concern is finances. 

[SusieQQQ 11,585]

3 hours ago, Tarik said:

Thx I was hoping to hear from people who went through similar situations. As I mentioned I've done read all the info on the consulate website. 

" If you cannot cover all the costs for your trip, you may show evidence that another person will cover some or all costs for your trip." 

 

The “evidence” can just be a letter from you undertaking to do so, if you want to provide it. The consulate is not going to spend time trying to verify any bank accounts etc that you send as proof.

 

2 hours ago, geowrian said:

I've seen a few people swear by it. I have yet to see any evidence supporting their claims, though.

The old correlation vs causation argument.

 

2 hours ago, Tarik said:

I don't really understand the logic behind having an immediate family member in the US  could hurt your application since u have to provide a reason for the visit... I'm a US citizen and my mother wants to come visit me and see her grandson. It's ridiculous that having a son and grandson u want to visit could be harmful.. Instead I guess it would be better to say ur visiting the US to see some meaningless attractions smh. 

Because with you being a citizen, she can stay and adjust, as many others have “suddenly decided” to do while visiting on tourist status. Husband at home? He can come later and do the same. Other children? It’ll be faster for them to immigrate if she files for them as a LPR than from you as sibling - yes, right now on another thread on VJ there is someone who plans his parents to get a green card just so they can sponsor his siblings. Subjectively, you can see all the reasons for her to go home. Less subjectively, a CO sees a potential effort to circumvent normal immigration wait times.

 

remember that by law all NIV applicants are presumed to have immigrant intent and the burden of proof is on them to prove otherwise.

 

all that said...we see a lot of sad denial stories here, but a lot of parents and in-laws do get visas and visit! Good luck.

[SusieQQQ 11,585]

32 minutes ago, Donald120383 said:

your odds are better transferring money to her account abroad if the concern is finances. 

🙄 because a sudden big transfer into her account isn’t going to raise any suspicion at the embassy. 

Imo this route makes it more, not less, suspicious. 

[Tarik 10]

26 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

🙄 because a sudden big transfer into her account isn’t going to raise any suspicion at the embassy. 

Imo this route makes it more, not less, suspicious. 

Yeah I was thinking the same thing.. Specially since she's a housewife 😊. 

[Tarik 10]

2 hours ago, JeanneAdil said:

It isn't

owning property in her name

having a bank account

and/or a job to return to

 

and yes,  we tried it and from Morocco like you,  got denied for MIL

mostly as she can not read and write

but now,  we applied without any documents from us and she was approved and coming this summer

So what has changed since you applied the first time other than not including any documents from you? 

[JFH 12,189]

5 hours ago, Tarik said:

I don't really understand the logic behind having an immediate family member in the US  could hurt your application since u have to provide a reason for the visit... I'm a US citizen and my mother wants to come visit me and see her grandson. It's ridiculous that having a son and grandson u want to visit could be harmful.. Instead I guess it would be better to say ur visiting the US to see some meaningless attractions smh. 

You can thank all your fellow country folk who applied for tourist visas to visit children and grandchildren here and then decided not to go home. They are the ones who have confirmed the suspicions of consular officers that people applying for visitor visas to see family members are intending to stay and adjust. 

[SalishSea 16,884]

7 hours ago, Tarik said:

Agreed... Which for a 57 years old woman leaving husband, children and grandchildren back home should be a reason compelling enough to show she will return. 

Unfortunately, many before her have shown this to not be the case.

[Suze1 366]

8 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

by law all NIV applicants are presumed to have immigrant intent and the burden of proof is on them to prove otherwise

THIS ^^^^

 

TLDR - I, for one, do not disagree with your frustration. I think we all hear you.

But your argument is at the wrong level. It needs to be with THE LAW, not at the Consular Officer level, who will only be doing what they are tasked to do.

 

Greater Detail

Your argument about what makes sense is understandable, but it has to be made at the legislative level.

Consular and Immigration Officers are tasked with a job - and that job is to follow the law.

And immigration law says - The burden is on the visitor applicant to overcome the presumption that they will overstay.

So, your protestations need to be addressed to Congress....not be levied at the Consular Officer level.

 

I think you are finding little helpful reference material because there is nothing needed/helpful from your position as the US citizen son of a visitor applicant.

The fact that you are doing all the legwork here only reinforces the perception that the prospective applicant is not responsible enough to handle this themselves.

The more you do here, the more you feel you need to do here, the more that perception is reinforced, and as others have said, it might very well hurt your case.

 

Best wishes to you and your mom.

(P.S. I have spent time in Morocco, and many other places in Africa.)

 

 

[Tarik 10]

7 hours ago, JFH said:

You can thank all your fellow country folk who applied for tourist visas to visit children and grandchildren here and then decided not to go home. They are the ones who have confirmed the suspicions of consular officers that people applying for visitor visas to see family members are intending to stay and adjust. 

It's not common for women here in morocco to just leave their husband, other children and family just to move to USA... Might be different where you're from though. 

[EmilyW 1,234]

It must be common enough that it impacts success rates of those getting tourist visas.  

[JFH 12,189]

38 minutes ago, Tarik said:

It's not common for women here in morocco to just leave their husband, other children and family just to move to USA... Might be different where you're from though. 

I’m from the UK. The overstay rate for Moroccans is 5 times the rate for UK citizens. That’s why we are able to use the VWP:

 

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/cbp_-_fiscal_year_2018_entry_exit_overstay_report.pdf

[Tarik 10]

6 minutes ago, EmilyW said:

It must be common enough that it impacts success rates of those getting tourist visas.  

Yeah that's kinda obvious.. But not all countries have the same denial rates.. So yeah it depends on where you're applying. 

[Tarik 10]

15 minutes ago, JFH said:

I’m from the UK. The overstay rate for Moroccans is 5 times the rate for UK citizens. That’s why we are able to use the VWP:

 

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/cbp_-_fiscal_year_2018_entry_exit_overstay_report.pdf

Haha I should of guessed u were 😂.. Thx for the help. 

Edited December 31, 2019 by Tarik

[Tarik 10]

19 minutes ago, JFH said:

I’m from the UK. The overstay rate for Moroccans is 5 times the rate for UK citizens. That’s why we are able to use the VWP:

 

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/cbp_-_fiscal_year_2018_entry_exit_overstay_report.pdf

Total overstay fir Morocco is 463 people.. Total overstay for uk 14215 people... 🙄😒🙄... U sure u know what u talking about? 😂  And don't tell me the percentage lol.. We're talking actual people living in USA. 

Edited December 31, 2019 by Tarik

[Crazy Cat 39,624]

1 minute ago, Tarik said:

Total overstay fir Morocco is 463 people.. Total overstay for uk 14215 people... 🙄😒🙄... U sure u know what u talking about? 😂 

Nice try......but you failed.