Ilhan Omar Thinks There Is No Difference Between Al Qaeda And America

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

"On 9/11 some people did something".  

 

It is clear to me in my day to day activities that not everyone who comes to America truly wants to become an American.  I see it when I try to deal with people who have been here for years, and they have made zero attempt to learn English.  I have to struggle to get what I need done because they expect A.ericans to learn their language.

 

And this woman seems to want to downplay 9/11 as no big deal?  Wow...

 

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/04/16/tucker_carlson_ilhan_omar_thinks_there_is_no_difference_between_al_qaeda_and_america.html

 

[arken 4,197]

21 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

"On 9/11 some people did something".  

 

It is clear to me in my day to day activities that not everyone who comes to America truly wants to become an American.  I see it when I try to deal with people who have been here for years, and they have made zero attempt to learn English.  I have to struggle to get what I need done because they expect A.ericans to learn their language.

 

And this woman seems to want to downplay 9/11 as no big deal?  Wow...

 

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/04/16/tucker_carlson_ilhan_omar_thinks_there_is_no_difference_between_al_qaeda_and_america.html

 

 

 I definitely don’t agree with her in downplaying 9/11 by saying such statement, but I also don’t agree with bolded the statement above. How is not attempting to learn English unAmerican?

[Shiran 1,134]

36 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

It is clear to me in my day to day activities that not everyone who comes to America truly wants to become an American. 

You seem to think there is some sort of magical list of checkboxes that one needs to check to become "American" There isn't. Well, at least outside of of the ones on N-400 forms. Societies are not static, because people who make up them are not static. 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

 

50 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

"On 9/11 some people did something".  

 

It is clear to me in my day to day activities that not everyone who comes to America truly wants to become an American.  I see it when I try to deal with people who have been here for years, and they have made zero attempt to learn English.  I have to struggle to get what I need done because they expect A.ericans to learn their language.

 

And this woman seems to want to downplay 9/11 as no big deal?  Wow...

 

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/04/16/tucker_carlson_ilhan_omar_thinks_there_is_no_difference_between_al_qaeda_and_america.html

 

 

     Tucker Carlson jumped the shark a long time ago.  You complain about the inability of people to speak English and then post a link to a guy like Carlson that can speak English fluently and yet still utter complete rambling nonsense. I hope you appreciate the irony.

[Shiran 1,134]

It is worth noting, that on Federal level US doesn't actually have "official" or "National" language.  It seems like founding persons very intentionally try to put as few rules as possible on what would actually define this Country and her people. 

[Boiler 45,658]

For most English is a requirement to naturalise.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 hour ago, Shiran said:

It is worth noting, that on Federal level US doesn't actually have "official" or "National" language.  It seems like founding persons very intentionally try to put as few rules as possible on what would actually define this Country and her people. 

 

1 hour ago, arken said:

 

 I definitely don’t agree with her in downplaying 9/11 by saying such statement, but I also don’t agree with bolded the statement above. How is not attempting to learn English unAmerican?

My wife has commented about this to me as well when people come up to her speaking Spanish (a language she doesn't know) all the while not able to speak any form of English at all. She thinks it is weird how you would come to a country and not try to learn the prevailing language of that country somewhat. 

 

@Shiran when this country was founded the vast majority of the people that lived in this country came from England, Ireland, and Scotland. 

[Falcon Cara 378]

2 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

"On 9/11 some people did something".  

 

It is clear to me in my day to day activities that not everyone who comes to America truly wants to become an American.  I see it when I try to deal with people who have been here for years, and they have made zero attempt to learn English.  I have to struggle to get what I need done because they expect A.ericans to learn their language.

 

And this woman seems to want to downplay 9/11 as no big deal?  Wow...

 

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/04/16/tucker_carlson_ilhan_omar_thinks_there_is_no_difference_between_al_qaeda_and_america.html

 

This lady is a true snake in the US society.  Trump has warned us about people like her already. 

 

She needs to be ran out of office, she is nothing but a cancer to America.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 hours ago, arken said:

 

 I definitely don’t agree with her in downplaying 9/11 by saying such statement, but I also don’t agree with bolded the statement above. How is not attempting to learn English unAmerican?

Because English is the main language spoken here.  Moving to a country, and expecting its natural-born citizens to speak YOUR language is either foolish, disrespectful,  or more likely a combination of both. 

 

Speak as many languages as you can.  I have respect for those who are multilingual.   But at least learn the main language.  It's the proper thing to do.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 hours ago, Shiran said:

You seem to think there is some sort of magical list of checkboxes that one needs to check to become "American" There isn't. Well, at least outside of of the ones on N-400 forms. Societies are not static, because people who make up them are not static. 

Being fluent in English isn't required.  But being able to pass a simple English test is.  

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

 

     Tucker Carlson jumped the shark a long time ago.  You complain about the inability of people to speak English and then post a link to a guy like Carlson that can speak English fluently and yet still utter complete rambling nonsense. I hope you appreciate the irony.

Speaking of rambling...

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, ALFKAD said:

Speaking of rambling...

 

  Four posts to resort to a personal insult? Usually you can do better. If you're having a bad day, you don't need to bring it here.

[yuna628 9,680]

2 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

Because English is the main language spoken here.  Moving to a country, and expecting its natural-born citizens to speak YOUR language is either foolish, disrespectful,  or more likely a combination of both. 

 

Speak as many languages as you can.  I have respect for those who are multilingual.   But at least learn the main language.  It's the proper thing to do.

One of the topics I discussed with my mom the other day (as was the topic discussed in the what to do with illegals thread) was about assimilation. There is somewhat of a myth that immigrants of the past assimilated so well that no one hardly noticed. Well, I have to tell you, in studying genealogy and history this just isn't true. I pointed out to her that it wasn't true for *her* side of the family no matter from where they came with exception to the English side. My grandfather's mom and grandmom spoke German and PA Dutch and there were many of that older generation that were content to have their children do the assimilating for them. My dad's family though they were Irish and came long ago, lived in an area that was awash with German and Dutch - I can pull up records and stories of not only a severe language barrier, but a cultural barrier as well. Still the children married and intermingled even as most of the 'English' kept away from the 'strange' folk and that caused issues during weddings too. Heck, you can find census after census of people that were barely-to-not literate! But these people all eventually somehow managed to found towns and small cities that exist today. It wasn't that they had any great or pressing need to know English. They grew into the language over decades and helped to contribute to the words we use today. Newer generations of immigrants from the mid-late 1800s to early 1900s had even more difficulties. The Chinese, Japanese, Germans, Polish, Italians, and Jews all had problems 'fitting in'. They had strange cultures, religions, dialects.. and looked much different than older more 'assimilated-over-a-long-period' immigrants were used to. And because of how they were treated they tended to stay among their own. Chinatown, Little Italy, Germantown, the Jewish Quarter.. these places many cities have today, and are cultural icons... and not necessarily because of assimilation, but because there were barriers and discrimination. These immigrants persevered. Some of the Italians in my family, the older generations don't speak English, or very little. My great grandfather's parents were well-known in Baltimore, and yet spoke little English! My great grandmother spoke three other languages, besides English and had a vastly different culture.. but she certainly knew nothing of German. All of these people came to America and assimilated in their own way.

 

Knowing English is nothing to a person that knows it already. But it is difficult to those that don't. It can take months even years. I asked her if the government should only select immigrants to immigrate that knew English already. She said no, that would be discrimination. Okay, I said. So should the government assist new immigrants as they go through their green card process to learn English? She thought that was a good idea. I asked, where would our government come up with the money, staff, training, and facilities? She had no answer. Then you have cases where immigrants speak broken English. They try, but are not confident. There are others that will never speak good enough English to a person who will always look at them with scorn.

 

My husband speaks English because he is English. But his accent is so different to American ears, sometimes people just don't understand him. I find him attempting to alter his accent because of how downright rude, obnoxious, and ignorant people can treat him - and this bothers me. My great grandmother never changed her accent, and neither should he. If an American can treat someone speaking perfect English as some sort of a 'plague-like filthy immigrant heathen', then what exactly is good enough? Language is a way we communicate. People entering with different languages and sometimes not understanding each other never stopped us progressing as a nation before. It helped shape and define us for the better.

Edited April 19, 2019 by yuna628

[Dashinka 24,591]

Thanks to the Brits, English has become the defacto language of global business.  I have a lot of friends in Korea that regularly send their kids to the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand to immerse them in English.  Of course it is not the official language of the USA since we have none, but it certainly does help if someone wants to get ahead in business.  Other than that, I really enjoy living in a bilingual household, and although my Russian is still in progress, I am getting to understand it a lot better.

[Shiran 1,134]

That how most languages are learned. Out of necessity. No matter where you are on this planet currently, it is very advantageous to learn English, as it opens up roads and opportunities. US, being country of immigrants, and also due to certain history of discrimination, allowed diasporas to form. A congregation of people with similar background, and often their own language, living as a community, often within larger cities. In such communities there might be little pressure to learn language of the country at large, at least for the first generation older immigrants. And yes, if you don't speak Russian, and decide to visit Brighton Beach area Brooklyn for example you will have hard time communicating because yes, that community is nearly 100% Russian speaking and large and lively enough to be self sufficient. Many other examples like that elsewhere with other language, Mennonites in Pennsylvania, "Chinatowns," "Little Italies" etc  There are also emergent dialects, like African american Vernacular English, Creole etc. Most children either born on US soils, or those who came here at an early age will be fluent in English. But that will not diminish the communities that they might've happened to belong. They are as much of part of America as Anglo-saxon pilgrims.