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I saw this posting in another thread.  Was this the experience of others.  i.e. having to give up Certificate of Naturalization when applying for passport.

 

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For those applying for a passport, just beware that even though none of the online information says so, you need a copy (as well as the original) of your naturalization certificate in order to apply for a passport. I'm feeling a little naked, because between the oath ceremony, registering the change at the social security administration and applying for a passport, I essentially have no original evidence of my citizenship or immigration status, since they took the green card at the oath ceremony, took the social security card when I updated my status, and took my certificate of naturalization when I applied for a passport. I'm glad I don't live in one of those "show-me-your-papers" states!





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July 22, 2017  ROC packet sent to Vermont.

July 24, 2017  ROC packet signed for in Vermont.

August 8, 2017  NOA received at house.  15 days since ROC signed for in VSC.

August 12, 2017 ASC appointment received. 19 days since ROC in VSC.

August 25, 2017 BIO completed. 32 days since ROC received in VSC.

August 11, 2018  18 month 'Courtesy Copy' extension letter received.  Critical number  297

October 20, 2018 18 month 'Official' extension letter received.  Critical number 297

December 4, 2018  USCIS Account shows: We approved your Form I-751, Petition to Remove Conditions on Residence, 

December 4, 2018, ordered your new card for Receipt # EAC17297003XX, and will mail to the address you gave.

491 days from NOA issued by VSC until Petition approved.

December 7, 2018 USCIS sent notice:  Card mailed.

December 12, 2018 Ten year Green Card received from Lees Summit, MO

499 days from NOA issued by VSC until Green Card received.

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CITIZENSHIP PROCESS

December 6, 2018 submitted N-400 application on-line.  Estimated Completion Time: 8 months or August 2019.

December 8, 2018 received notice on USCIS that Biometrics scheduled . . . but the actual date was not yet shown.

December 11, 2018 saw in 'Documents' section of USCIS that Bio scheduled for 24 December 2018.

December 21, 2018 saw on USCIS website that they will be closed 24 December 2018 as extra holiday.

January 9, 2019 went for re-scheduled BIO appointment.  33 days after N-400 submitted on-line.

February 19, 2019 received letter in US mail that Citizenship interview scheduled for 26 March 2019. 74 days after submission on-line.

March 26, 2019 Citizenship interview.  109 days after N-400 submitted on-line.

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Leo7777 said:

I saw this posting in another thread.  Was this the experience of others.  i.e. having to give up Certificate of Naturalization when applying for passport.

 

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For those applying for a passport, just beware that even though none of the online information says so, you need a copy (as well as the original) of your naturalization certificate in order to apply for a passport. I'm feeling a little naked, because between the oath ceremony, registering the change at the social security administration and applying for a passport, I essentially have no original evidence of my citizenship or immigration status, since they took the green card at the oath ceremony, took the social security card when I updated my status, and took my certificate of naturalization when I applied for a passport. I'm glad I don't live in one of those "show-me-your-papers" states!



Yes, you have to send in the original of the naturalization certificate when you apply for the passport. It’s a requirement. Just make a copy of it to keep with you. You’ll be fine. I took my Oath, got out of the federal courthouse and went straight to the county recorder’s office to apply for my passport. I just took a picture of it with my phone. They’ll send it back to you. No worries.

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6 minutes ago, USS_Voyager said:

Yes, you have to send in the original of the naturalization certificate when you apply for the passport. It’s a requirement. Just make a copy of it to keep with you. You’ll be fine. I took my Oath, got out of the federal courthouse and went straight to the county recorder’s office to apply for my passport. I just took a picture of it with my phone. They’ll send it back to you. No worries.

The worry is with no Certificate and no passport . . . there can be no international travel !!!



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10 YEAR GREEN CARD PROCESS

July 22, 2017  ROC packet sent to Vermont.

July 24, 2017  ROC packet signed for in Vermont.

August 8, 2017  NOA received at house.  15 days since ROC signed for in VSC.

August 12, 2017 ASC appointment received. 19 days since ROC in VSC.

August 25, 2017 BIO completed. 32 days since ROC received in VSC.

August 11, 2018  18 month 'Courtesy Copy' extension letter received.  Critical number  297

October 20, 2018 18 month 'Official' extension letter received.  Critical number 297

December 4, 2018  USCIS Account shows: We approved your Form I-751, Petition to Remove Conditions on Residence, 

December 4, 2018, ordered your new card for Receipt # EAC17297003XX, and will mail to the address you gave.

491 days from NOA issued by VSC until Petition approved.

December 7, 2018 USCIS sent notice:  Card mailed.

December 12, 2018 Ten year Green Card received from Lees Summit, MO

499 days from NOA issued by VSC until Green Card received.

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CITIZENSHIP PROCESS

December 6, 2018 submitted N-400 application on-line.  Estimated Completion Time: 8 months or August 2019.

December 8, 2018 received notice on USCIS that Biometrics scheduled . . . but the actual date was not yet shown.

December 11, 2018 saw in 'Documents' section of USCIS that Bio scheduled for 24 December 2018.

December 21, 2018 saw on USCIS website that they will be closed 24 December 2018 as extra holiday.

January 9, 2019 went for re-scheduled BIO appointment.  33 days after N-400 submitted on-line.

February 19, 2019 received letter in US mail that Citizenship interview scheduled for 26 March 2019. 74 days after submission on-line.

March 26, 2019 Citizenship interview.  109 days after N-400 submitted on-line.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Leo7777 said:

The worry is with no Certificate and no passport . . . there can be no international travel !!!

Then apply expedite with your passport application. You should receive it within 2 weeks.

 

Or you can travel using your Ukrainain passport and have someone send you the US passport later to your destination in order for your to come back to US.

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19 minutes ago, Leo7777 said:

The worry is with no Certificate and no passport . . . there can be no international travel !!!

Just travel AFTER getting the US passport.


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01/11/2019  Received biometric appointment in the mail.  Biometric appointment is for 01/22/2019

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01/29/2019  Filed an online e-request due to no I-797 receipt mailed to date.  Received automated email to expect a reply by Feb. 20.

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02/04/2019  Informed delivery show an incoming letter form USCIS.  Won't know if it is a copy or original extension letter as we are out of country for about another 2 weeks and mail is on hold until then.

02/19/2019  USPS delivered our "hold mail" today.  Received an original 18 month extension letter.   Notice date is 01/30/2019.

 

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1 hour ago, Leo7777 said:

The worry is with no Certificate and no passport . . . there can be no international travel !!!

You just have to wait for your passport. There id expedited processing and there are same day passport offices. Of course the faster the speed, the more $$$ you have to dole out

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1 hour ago, Leo7777 said:

The worry is with no Certificate and no passport . . . there can be no international travel !!!

Once you are a citizen you can’t exit/enter the US on a different passport anyway, with or without your naturalization certificate. You need to get the US passport to travel. Expedite.

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1 hour ago, dandk said:

 

Or you can travel using your Ukrainain passport and have someone send you the US passport later to your destination in order for your to come back to US.

Nope.

 

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/Advice-about-Possible-Loss-of-US-Nationality-Dual-Nationality/Dual-Nationality.html

 

U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States.

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So when it comes time to renew your passport, you have resend your certificate again?


10-year green card received: 2004-02-01

N-400 Filed Online:  2018-11-28

N-400 Biometrics Appointment: 2018-12-20

N-400 Notice of Interview: 2019-01-04

N-400 Interview Appointment: 2019-02-21

N-400 Application Approved: 2019-02-21

N-400 Oath Ceremony: Waiting for letter

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2 hours ago, USS_Voyager said:

You just have to wait for your passport. There id expedited processing and there are same day passport offices. Of course the faster the speed, the more $$$ you have to dole out

less than 2-3 weeks

I have urgent international travel plans.

Example: you're traveling overseas on June 22. Beginning June 1, you should schedule an appointment at a passport agency or center that is on June 8 or later. You can only go to the actual appointment within 2 weeks of international travel (or 4 weeks if you need a visa). 

Expedited Make an appointment at a passport agency or center (bring proof of travel)

 

 

There are no Passport Agency or Center within driving distance of us. 

And, you have to bring proof of travel which means buying your plane ticket before you even know if you will have Passport in time to travel.

 

Less than 4-6 weeks (No reason needed) Expedited Expedite at an acceptance facility or expedite a renewal by mail

 

With this option you pay $60 extra plus up charge for quick mailing and return.

 

But notice:  This only gives you Passport before a 4-6 weeks period concludes . . . hardly anything expedited about that !!!

 

As I have bemoaned before . . . at the end of this process when things should be going very nicely . . . we are actually in worse situation travel wise than when had student visas, and first 2 year green card.



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10 YEAR GREEN CARD PROCESS

July 22, 2017  ROC packet sent to Vermont.

July 24, 2017  ROC packet signed for in Vermont.

August 8, 2017  NOA received at house.  15 days since ROC signed for in VSC.

August 12, 2017 ASC appointment received. 19 days since ROC in VSC.

August 25, 2017 BIO completed. 32 days since ROC received in VSC.

August 11, 2018  18 month 'Courtesy Copy' extension letter received.  Critical number  297

October 20, 2018 18 month 'Official' extension letter received.  Critical number 297

December 4, 2018  USCIS Account shows: We approved your Form I-751, Petition to Remove Conditions on Residence, 

December 4, 2018, ordered your new card for Receipt # EAC17297003XX, and will mail to the address you gave.

491 days from NOA issued by VSC until Petition approved.

December 7, 2018 USCIS sent notice:  Card mailed.

December 12, 2018 Ten year Green Card received from Lees Summit, MO

499 days from NOA issued by VSC until Green Card received.

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CITIZENSHIP PROCESS

December 6, 2018 submitted N-400 application on-line.  Estimated Completion Time: 8 months or August 2019.

December 8, 2018 received notice on USCIS that Biometrics scheduled . . . but the actual date was not yet shown.

December 11, 2018 saw in 'Documents' section of USCIS that Bio scheduled for 24 December 2018.

December 21, 2018 saw on USCIS website that they will be closed 24 December 2018 as extra holiday.

January 9, 2019 went for re-scheduled BIO appointment.  33 days after N-400 submitted on-line.

February 19, 2019 received letter in US mail that Citizenship interview scheduled for 26 March 2019. 74 days after submission on-line.

March 26, 2019 Citizenship interview.  109 days after N-400 submitted on-line.

 

 

 

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50 minutes ago, Leo7777 said:

There are no Passport Agency or Center within driving distance of us. 

And, you have to bring proof of travel which means buying your plane ticket before you even know if you will have Passport in time to travel.

If you need a passport quickly, do some online research.  There are passport agencies that you can send your paperwork to via FedEx overnight, and you can get a passport in 2 days.  I've done this before from an isolated, rural location.

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1 hour ago, Leo7777 said:

 

 

 

       

As I have bemoaned before . . . at the end of this process when things should be going very nicely . . . we are actually in worse situation travel wise than when had student visas, and first 2 year green card.

To be fair, in the big scheme of things this very much is a short term first world problem.

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2 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

To be fair, in the big scheme of things this very much is a short term first world problem.

Yup. Try being from an “underdeveloped” country where it takes 8 months to receive your passport. 

 

Anyways if you need your passport expedited there are options like others have posted. I personally paid to expedite mine and actually received it in a week surprisingly. 


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Just be aware that your new passport and certificate will arrive in a separate envelope and on different days. I first got my passport in the mail and few days after my certificate arrived. 

 

The lady at the Post Office who gathered my paperwork STAPLED my new, long awaited naturalization certificate to the application. It was a mini shock to have this long awaited and important document treated this way. Now I laugh about it 😄.


4/12/13 - sent I-485 package

4/15/13 - USCIS Chicago Lockbox received package

4/22/13 - got email and txt

4/29/13 - received NOA in mail

5/08/13 - received biometrics appointment for 5/22

5/09/13 - successful early walk in at Port Chester, NY office

5/22/13 - I-485 updated to Testing & Interview

6/18/13 - EAD went to production

6/21/13 - Card/Document Production for EAD - second email

6/24/13 - EAD mailed

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7/18/13 - got email about interview

7/20/13 - got hard copy interview letter

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08/28/13 - card production - second email

08/29/13 - card mailed

09/03/13 - card arrived

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05/27/2016 - N-400 mailed

06/02/2016 - NOA date

06/24/2016 - biometrics appointment

11/28/2016 - interview scheduled for January 9th, 2017

01/09/2017 - interview passed

01/20/2017 - Oath Ceremony

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