At least 50 dead, 400 injured in shooting near Mandalay Bay casino, 1 suspect 'down'

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1 minute ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

 

 

Here are the top five with effectiveness and public support scores. How many of these can we all agree on?

Suggested Policy	Effectiveness	Public Support
Requiring all sellers to run background checks on anyone who buys a gun.	7.3	86%
Preventing sales of all firearms to people who have been convicted of violent misdemeanors, including domestic assaults.	7.1	83%
Preventing sales of all firearms to people who have been convicted of stalking another person	6.5	85%
Requiring all gun owners to possess a license for their firearm.	6.4	78%
Requiring all sellers to run background checks on anyone who buys ammunition.	6.4	72%

I can only agree to the top one. Regarding 2 and 3 - make those crimes felonies rather than giving them a special allowance.

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1 minute ago, Sonea said:

all gun owners to possess a license for their firearm. 6.4 78%

Requiring all sellers to run background checks on anyone who buys ammunition.

 

Okay and you don't like these because they are not effective?

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Just now, Il Mango Dulce said:

Okay and you don't like these because they are not effective?

Licensing is really just about taxing gun owners. Background checks for ammo makes it hard to get rare rounds like say 7.5 swiss and its only sold online.

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

30 minutes ago, Sonea said:

Wow that chart is misleading. One thing that jumps out at me is microstamping bullets. I've heard of microstamping cases...not bullets.

Yeah California actually passed a bill last year about microstamping bullets when a round is fired. Immediately S&W and Ruger said if it is implemented they will pull out of California. 

 

The law is currently being litigated as we speak.

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10 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

 

 

Here are the top five with effectiveness and public support scores. How many of these can we all agree on?

Suggested Policy	Effectiveness	Public Support
Requiring all sellers to run background checks on anyone who buys a gun.	7.3	86%
Preventing sales of all firearms to people who have been convicted of violent misdemeanors, including domestic assaults.	7.1	83%
Preventing sales of all firearms to people who have been convicted of stalking another person	6.5	85%
Requiring all gun owners to possess a license for their firearm.	6.4	78%
Requiring all sellers to run background checks on anyone who buys ammunition.	6.4	72%

The gunman could have passed all the above requirements when buying guns.

 

After that, he could still become mental and commit mass shootings.

 

So should every gun owner be subjected to yearly mental health check?

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Yeah California actually passed a bill last year about microstamping bullets when a round is fired. Immediately S&W and Ruger said if it is implemented they will pull out of California. 

 

The law is currently being litigated as we speak.

The cases you mean. The Attorney General mandated it when a patent expired. They want two markings though which I don't think has ever been done. What has happened instead is that the state has a roster of "safe" handguns that are dwindling every year. When the mandate occurred 3 years the roster had about 1600 guns. Now there are only about 700.

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11 minutes ago, Sonea said:

The cases you mean. The Attorney General mandated it when a patent expired. They want two markings though which I don't think has ever been done. What has happened instead is that the state has a roster of "safe" handguns that are dwindling every year. When the mandate occurred 3 years the roster had about 1600 guns. Now there are only about 700.

That is because they are trying to get all guns out of California except for the Democrat Elites that are allowed firearms because they are elites.

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10 hours ago, JimandChristy said:

I'm not, it appears to me people are happy with the status quo and don't want any meaningful change to prevent attacks like this from happening again on this scale and regularity.

 

The Constitution is a great document but the second amendment is sorely outdated written up over 200 years ago. It needs to be modernized and brought into the 21st century.

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3 hours ago, Merrytooth said:

 

There is seriously wrong in US with all the mass killings / shootings.

 

Sad part... nobody has really foolproof ideas to stop it.

 

i'm offended that they can't spell "killeen" two times correctly.............

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1 hour ago, cyberfx1024 said:

That is because they are trying to get all guns out of California except for the Democrat Elites that are allowed firearms because they are elites.

The Mulford Act was a 1967 California bill that repealed a law allowing public carrying of loaded firearms. Named after Republican assemblyman Don Mulford, the bill was crafted in response to members of the Black Panther Party who were conducting armed patrols of Oakland neighborhoods while they were conducting what would later be termed copwatching.^[1] They garnered national attention after the Black Panthers marched bearing arms upon the California State Capitol to protest the bill.^[2][3][4]

AB-1591 was authored by Don Mulford (R) from Oakland, John T. Knox (D) from Richmond, Walter J. Karabian (D) from Monterey Park, Alan Sieroty (D) from Los Angeles, and William M. Ketchum (R) from Bakersfield,^[5] it passed both Assembly (controlled by Democrats 42:38) and Senate (split 20:20) and was signed by the governor on July 28.

Both Republicans and Democrats in California supported increased gun control. Governor Ronald Reagan was present when the protesters arrived and later commented that he saw "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons" and that guns were a "ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will." In a later press conference, Reagan added that the Mulford Act "would work no hardship on the honest citizen."^[6]

The bill was signed by Reagan and became California penal code 25850 and 171c.

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12 hours ago, JimandChristy said:

Been on this Earth 36 years and not had to find out yet. What I do know is I don't need a gun in my home to protect and defend my family. 

More children are killed in this country from having a gun inside the home rather than one that is used against them from outside the home. 

More children are killed via abuse each year than by guns, both inside and outside the home combined.

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11 hours ago, CaliCat said:

 

 

And gun violence, kills more than terrorism. 

 

No.  Not even close.

 

Violent people kill innocent victims.  There is no such thing as a violent gun.  I left one of mine in the driveway one day, fully locked and loaded, with 3 spare magazines right beside it.  Sat there from about 0630 until 2130 and never moved.  Never aimed at an innocent, let alone pulled it’s own trigger.  Maybe I got lucky and got one of the non-violent versions, but I think not.

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11 hours ago, JimandChristy said:

Majority of it, America is wayyyyy off the charts when it comes to body count.

Actually, this is statistically incorrect. You should do some research on the ranking of per capita gun homicides throughout the world.  Might open your eyes a little.

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11 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

130 killed 268 injured in France in November of 2105 by Terror attack using mostly guns (gun laws are very strict in France)

 

86 killed 434 injured in July 2016 using a truck, in France 

Manchester England 22 killed by a bomb in May 2017

 

There is a common thread her and it isn't guns. Anyone want to hazard a guess.

 

 

 

Mormons?

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11 hours ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I told my wife that I want a .308 next and I WILL get it within the next 3-6 months. I want a longer range weapon because I have a couple AK's that are my midrange, and a couple shotguns and a pistol for my short range weapons. I do want to buy my wife a pistol as well, and I will stick to either a .40 caliber or a 9 mm. 

XD E 9 for the wife.  Trust me.  Go handle one, rack it, then let her rack the slide.   You’ll buy it.

Edited October 3, 2017 by IDWAF