They murdered an Uber Eats driver in DC.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

55 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

Nor, sadly, do too many adults.

Good overall point.

 

  With adults or juveniles, rehabilitation is one factor of the system. It is important, but it can't be the only factor. There is also justice for the victim, closure for the family, and the knowledge that when the punishment fits the crime, it becomes a deterrent to others. When 3 of those 4 things are absent, the system has failed everyone. 

[Dashinka 23,273]

13 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  With adults or juveniles, rehabilitation is one factor of the system. It is important, but it can't be the only factor. There is also justice for the victim, closure for the family, and the knowledge that when the punishment fits the crime, it becomes a deterrent to others. When 3 of those 4 things are absent, the system has failed everyone. 

The system regularly fails everyone.  What else is new.

[Prizm123 1,084]

On 4/6/2021 at 3:40 PM, Steeleballz said:

 

  With adults or juveniles, rehabilitation is one factor of the system. It is important, but it can't be the only factor. There is also justice for the victim, closure for the family, and the knowledge that when the punishment fits the crime, it becomes a deterrent to others. When 3 of those 4 things are absent, the system has failed everyone. 

its why i believe the death penalty needs to be expanded. use it for rape, child molesters, spousal abusers....

its not a deterrent, its to keep scum from infesting the planet any further.

 

some people are not worth the time or effort to try and save or rehabilitate.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

10 hours ago, Prizm123 said:

its why i believe the death penalty needs to be expanded. use it for rape, child molesters, spousal abusers....

its not a deterrent, its to keep scum from infesting the planet any further.

 

some people are not worth the time or effort to try and save or rehabilitate.

  I’d support stronger sentencing for many of those crimes. I think the death penalty should be reserved for the worst or most dangerous criminals. 

[laylalex 7,249]

I do not believe in the death penalty, because I think there have historically been too many incidents where innocent people were convicted of murder and sentenced to death. It's not like you exonerate a person and you can bring them back to life. One innocent person sent to his or her death is one too many. A person sentenced to life without the possibility of parole can, however, be released if eventually found not guilty. 

 

My husband and I disagree about the death penalty, which is really our only big political difference. I respect his right to his opinion, no matter how wrong I think it is!

[Dashinka 23,273]

12 hours ago, Prizm123 said:

its why i believe the death penalty needs to be expanded. use it for rape, child molesters, spousal abusers....

its not a deterrent, its to keep scum from infesting the planet any further.

 

some people are not worth the time or effort to try and save or rehabilitate.

Unfortunately the folks in the US have become much to soft to adopt something like that.

[Prizm123 1,084]

55 minutes ago, laylalex said:

I do not believe in the death penalty, because I think there have historically been too many incidents where innocent people were convicted of murder and sentenced to death.

in a case like this one where its caught on video, i think it should be pretty cut and dry.

 

you can make the argument for the cases where the evidence is more circumstantial and i would listen.

[Prizm123 1,084]

11 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Unfortunately the folks in the US have become much to soft to adopt something like that.

i know, its a good thing i didnt list more of those types, like ponzi scheme white collar criminals, people who are fans of horrible music, anyone who doesn't like mustard on hot dogs, people who pee in swimming pools, people who dont pick up dog poo from the sidewalks etc.....

[Dashinka 23,273]

2 minutes ago, Prizm123 said:

i know, its a good thing i didnt list more of those types, like ponzi scheme white collar criminals, people who are fans of horrible music, anyone who doesn't like mustard on hot dogs, people who pee in swimming pools, people who dont pick up dog poo from the sidewalks etc.....

I agree, anyone that even thinks of putting ketchup on a hot dog or brat and are over 18 years old should certainly be put to death.  

[laylalex 7,249]

This is why I am opposed to the death penalty: 

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Riles, now 70, was convicted in the 1974 shooting death of John Thomas Henry. Riles and another man were attempting to return a recently purchased car to Henry, a used car dealer, when Riles shot him, according to court records.

At trial, Riles claimed insanity, and multiple experts testified that he had paranoid delusions, psychosis and schizophrenia. Relatives noted a long line of severe mental illness in the family. But doctors for the prosecution argued Riles was faking, and the jury rejected the insanity defense.

So, when jurors were weighing Riles’ sentence, they were only tasked with deciding whether the murder was deliberate and if Riles would likely be a future danger. They decided he was, so he was sentenced to death.

Starting in 1989, death penalty juries were also required to consider mitigating evidence, like a mental illness, that may sway jurors to instead opt for the lesser punishment of life in prison. Because Riles’ jury was not given that instruction, the Court of Criminal Appeals said Wednesday his death sentence could no longer stand.

 

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/04/14/raymond-riles-texas-death-penalty/

 

The man certainly killed another man, no doubt about it. But there are errors like these too often. If he was insane, he should not be put to death.

Edited April 14, 2021 by laylalex

[TBoneTX 43,155]

10 hours ago, laylalex said:

the jury rejected the insanity defense

This was their prerogative, however, and the case could be appealed.

10 hours ago, laylalex said:

a used car dealer

Quick -- cover NB's eyes!

[Dashinka 23,273]

The second girl was sentenced.  Not much for wanton disregard for a human life.

 

Girl, 14, sentenced in death of Uber Eats driver Mohammad Anwar
 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/girl-juvenile-killing-uber-eats-mohammad-anwar

[TBoneTX 43,155]

"Oh, but she's just misguided, and she has her whole life ahead of her!"

[Dashinka 23,273]

13 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

"Oh, but she's just misguided, and she has her whole life ahead of her!"

It is interesting, children in many areas are allowed to make very adult decisions with little or no input from their parents, but in this case when a couple of children made a decision to rob and kill someone, it is written off as a misguided decision.