Two COVID Positive Hairstylists Served 140 People. Not One Customer Was Infected

[yuna628 9,541]

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

So you are buying into the narrative?  I can agree with the precaution thing, and everyone has to weigh their own level of risk, but all businesses could have introduced these precautions much sooner, instead we get individual governors claiming they are using science to make decisions and making arbitrary choices as to which businesses or services are essential.  

Every governor has to make the best choices they do for their states - right or wrong. That's state's rights isn't it? The federal government did not give adequate direction so what else should they do? Please remember that PPE supply let alone basic cleaning supplies are still low for everyone - that includes places like doctor's offices that still continued to see patients. With more places opening, infections are starting to rise and in some areas hospitals are beginning to become stressed once more which will eventually lead to decisions some won't like again.

 

Some businesses adapted and others did not. I have seen places do even more business than they would have normally and others that are now opening not even paying attention to the rules in an effort to cram in as many as possible. That does not inspire me with the confidence to go out and have normal activities. I have my life and the life and health of others to consider.

 

Currently the government model the administration is using, believes the second wave is coming in September. IMHO we haven't left the first wave, and we need to anticipate future waves for the long term. I believe had we had good supply flow a lot of hurt to some businesses willing to adapt may have been avoidable - but that's what being proactive and prepared gets you.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

3 hours ago, Dashinka said:

So you are buying into the narrative?  I can agree with the precaution thing, and everyone has to weigh their own level of risk, but all businesses could have introduced these precautions much sooner, instead we get individual governors claiming they are using science to make decisions and making arbitrary choices as to which businesses or services are essential.  

That and science for a new virus requires time. 

 

I see people treating this like governors are bumbling idiots who must have direction from the almighty federal government on how to run all 50 states to be competent. 

 

This all has little to do with science, and is entirely about narrative and passing the buck to whichever party they don't like. Naturally, it's Trump's fault all the state and local people in states like NY that were busy exposing the elderly to the virus and invoking identity politics telling people to go to Asian markets and facilitate viral exposure/spread.. those people get a pass even though they are directly involved with the local populace and supply chains, and should logically have by far the most burden.

 

Even the federal government and geniuses like Fauci have no idea what they're doing, that much has been clear all along, and is still the case, but because of the dumb narrative driving and masses susceptible to it, they have to act like they know. 

Edited June 12, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Dashinka 23,375]

50 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Every governor has to make the best choices they do for their states - right or wrong. That's state's rights isn't it? The federal government did not give adequate direction so what else should they do? Please remember that PPE supply let alone basic cleaning supplies are still low for everyone - that includes places like doctor's offices that still continued to see patients. With more places opening, infections are starting to rise and in some areas hospitals are beginning to become stressed once more which will eventually lead to decisions some won't like again.

 

Some businesses adapted and others did not. I have seen places do even more business than they would have normally and others that are now opening not even paying attention to the rules in an effort to cram in as many as possible. That does not inspire me with the confidence to go out and have normal activities. I have my life and the life and health of others to consider.

 

Currently the government model the administration is using, believes the second wave is coming in September. IMHO we haven't left the first wave, and we need to anticipate future waves for the long term. I believe had we had good supply flow a lot of hurt to some businesses willing to adapt may have been avoidable - but that's what being proactive and prepared gets you.

You do know the Federal government does not actually have control during pandemics right?  I keep hearing advertising lacing all the blame of the issues in Michigan on President Trump, but most people in this state know it was not President Trump that signed an EO putting Covid+ elderly patients back into nursing facilities.  I am fine with governors doing what they need to do, there is a playbook out there, you only have to look back to 1969 when we had the last really major pandemic.  I was not very old then, but my understanding is that life moved on back then.  When a governor always comes out saying they are following science without actually disclosing the science they are using, that is wrong.  Then of course we get pronouncements to not go to areas that have so graciously been reopened while they and their families make plans to do just that.  Then we get all the doom and gloom from them protests against them for their actions, but all of the sudden protests are just fine as long as it is an agreeable political agenda.  The main point is the arbitraryness of their decisions, but what else is new when it comes to politicians.

[yuna628 9,541]

38 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

You do know the Federal government does not actually have control during pandemics right?  I keep hearing advertising lacing all the blame of the issues in Michigan on President Trump, but most people in this state know it was not President Trump that signed an EO putting Covid+ elderly patients back into nursing facilities.  I am fine with governors doing what they need to do, there is a playbook out there, you only have to look back to 1969 when we had the last really major pandemic.  I was not very old then, but my understanding is that life moved on back then.  When a governor always comes out saying they are following science without actually disclosing the science they are using, that is wrong.  Then of course we get pronouncements to not go to areas that have so graciously been reopened while they and their families make plans to do just that.  Then we get all the doom and gloom from them protests against them for their actions, but all of the sudden protests are just fine as long as it is an agreeable political agenda.  The main point is the arbitraryness of their decisions, but what else is new when it comes to politicians.

A lot of people don't have 'control' during any sort of disaster, natural or otherwise. The virus is in control. But we tend to learn to be proactive. When hurricanes come we prepare beforehand. We developed an entire system between state and federal agencies to handle disasters like that. Governors use broad state of emergency powers and order a variety of changes that includes evacuations, closures, the guard etc. Pandemics are in some ways longer duration and have greater long-term impact which make it nearly critical to be on the ball, but that does not mean a government should not be prepared for it. Whether that be in research and development, to stockpiles and procurement, to giving out a national standard of guidance smaller governments (and being in agreement on it to avoid stupidity and confusion) can abide by, coordination efforts of multiple agencies, and enforcement of other mitigation methods under their power. It does not sound like you are fine with governors doing what they need to do, if they make choices you personally disagree with.

 

MD has done a pretty good job, even though there have been massive mistakes, lack of testing and supplies, constant whining about opening up, failure to protect the elderly, unemployment system failures, very high infection rates, and shady contract deals -- largely in part because we have a fine professional healthcare system which other states unfortunately severely lack and because we took fast action. We have lost a lot of people but also saved a lot of lives. However our board of scientists and doctors working with the governor still advise it is too early to be celebratory. Every press conference with 'good numbers' may be too preliminary, and they urge caution that we are reopening too fast. Meanwhile we still do not have adequate supplies and testing. As you open up, for instance, it's not just the potentially sick people that need a test it's the persons having surgeries and procedures (both elective and emergency) that need tests. We need confidence in their accuracy. We already lack supplies for doctors and home use, the reopening of businesses adds greater strain on that. We are seeing large outbreaks in states as they have opened up and from over the holiday. We will certainly see more from protesting and as further summer holidays increase. If the government is already modeling for a second wave, we'd best be prepared for it.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

6 hours ago, Dashinka said:

You do know the Federal government does not actually have control during pandemics right?  I keep hearing advertising lacing all the blame of the issues in Michigan on President Trump, but most people in this state know it was not President Trump that signed an EO putting Covid+ elderly patients back into nursing facilities.  I am fine with governors doing what they need to do, there is a playbook out there, you only have to look back to 1969 when we had the last really major pandemic.  I was not very old then, but my understanding is that life moved on back then.  When a governor always comes out saying they are following science without actually disclosing the science they are using, that is wrong.  Then of course we get pronouncements to not go to areas that have so graciously been reopened while they and their families make plans to do just that.  Then we get all the doom and gloom from them protests against them for their actions, but all of the sudden protests are just fine as long as it is an agreeable political agenda.  The main point is the arbitraryness of their decisions, but what else is new when it comes to politicians.

Disney is open.  Busch Gardens is open.  Universal is open.  Airline traffic is up considerably vs two weeks ago.  Depending on what one listens to/believes, it's really not that bad out here in the real world.  Have been eating in restaurants again, and no one is falling down sick.  We're gonna be fine.

[Dashinka 23,375]

8 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Disney is open.  Busch Gardens is open.  Universal is open.  Airline traffic is up considerably vs two weeks ago.  Depending on what one listens to/believes, it's really not that bad out here in the real world.  Have been eating in restaurants again, and no one is falling down sick.  We're gonna be fine.

Spent a week in a more open state, and I completely agree.  

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

2 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

Disney is open.  Busch Gardens is open.  Universal is open.  Airline traffic is up considerably vs two weeks ago.  Depending on what one listens to/believes, it's really not that bad out here in the real world.  Have been eating in restaurants again, and no one is falling down sick.  We're gonna be fine.

Trump might win again if the economy jumps back up, therefore we must be very careful and keep things shut down.. for the elderly!

[TBoneTX 43,422]

15 hours ago, laylalex said:

places like Home Depot were essential because keeping your home repaired is essential.

Not in Michigan, according to Comrade Half-Whitmer.

[TBoneTX 43,422]

On 6/11/2020 at 5:30 PM, laylalex said:

I need a haircut myself

Which one of your hairs needs to be cut, huh LL ma'am?  I got all of mine cut today, which makes more sense.

 

Speaking of which:  Back in March, my county announced a shutdown with no notice, effective on a Saturday.  The contiguous county was considering one.  I held my breath in hope until Tuesday, blew out to an open barber shop (all closed Sun./Mon.) first thing in the morning, and heard later that day about that county's shutdown that was to start Wednesday.  Just made it.  Got all my hairs cut, needless to say.

[Dashinka 23,375]

14 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Which one of your hairs needs to be cut, huh LL ma'am?  I got all of mine cut today, which makes more sense.

 

Speaking of which:  Back in March, my county announced a shutdown with no notice, effective on a Saturday.  The contiguous county was considering one.  I held my breath in hope until Tuesday, blew out to an open barber shop (all closed Sun./Mon.) first thing in the morning, and heard later that day about that county's shutdown that was to start Wednesday.  Just made it.  Got all my hairs cut, needless to say.

My neighbor does hair, been keeping mine high and tight.

 

[TBoneTX 43,422]

8 hours ago, Dashinka said:

My neighbor does hair, been keeping mine high and tight.

Reporting you to Comrade Half-Whitmer immediately, you traitor to the Revolution!

[laylalex 7,261]

On 6/13/2020 at 12:34 AM, TBoneTX said:

Which one of your hairs needs to be cut, huh LL ma'am?  I got all of mine cut today, which makes more sense.

 

Speaking of which:  Back in March, my county announced a shutdown with no notice, effective on a Saturday.  The contiguous county was considering one.  I held my breath in hope until Tuesday, blew out to an open barber shop (all closed Sun./Mon.) first thing in the morning, and heard later that day about that county's shutdown that was to start Wednesday.  Just made it.  Got all my hairs cut, needless to say.

If that's the case, genuinely, honestly, what is happening with this? https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/06/13/texas-sets-another-record-high-covid-19-hospitalizations/

 

I worry about you guys.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

6 hours ago, laylalex said:

If that's the case, genuinely, honestly, what is happening with this? https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/06/13/texas-sets-another-record-high-covid-19-hospitalizations/

 

I worry about you guys.

 

  A group of my wife's friends were big into the conspiracy theories and posting things like Covid-19 will go away after the election. Now they are all sick, and one in particularly is very ill. If they ask me for medical advice, my first question will be if they feel like they can hold out till November until the symptoms disappear.

 

  

[Sparkle Sparkle 913]

Covid is no conspiracy theory . A couple I know just down the street died from covid.

[laylalex 7,261]

2 hours ago, Sparkle Sparkle said:

Covid is no conspiracy theory . A couple I know just down the street died from covid.

Really sorry to hear that.  We lost a family friend the other week. 

 

I've been reading more and more this morning about rates going up and up in states that have opened up. Texas, Arizona, Utah and South Carolina are seeing numbers go up. It looks particularly bad in Arizona, and I read some frightening stuff about the Houston area. California is seeing an increase as well, which is disheartening as we were doing well for a while. I think we're opening up too quickly -- we're in Stage 3 now, and I do not feel comfortable doing any of the things I could apparently now do, like dine in, get my hair cut, etc. I want to wait until we've had at least 2 weeks after the protests end here... and the protests have not ended. We've agreed to keep our being out in the world to going to the grocery store and to pick up food, the occasional trip to Target if we just can't wait a day or two for delivery, and some socially distanced, outdoor socializing with groups of fewer than 10 people (we did one the other weekend and it was weird but fun).