Immigrants support and rallying against systemic racism in America

[ManCharsey 254]

It is important that immigrants (especially non-European immigrants) show support for protests against systemic racism in America towards black people. 

I know that it is easy to sit on the fence as an immigrant in this country and see it as a 'black people' issue and not care or worse buy into the prejudices and biases against black people in America. 

I have been in that boat before until I had a chance to learn the history of America (especially on the civil rights movements and immigration in America).

 

If you are a non-European immigrant in America, it is important to know that your ability to immigrate to this beautiful country is BECAUSE of the fight by black people (and with the support of allies - whites, jews etc.) that helped make this happen. The immigration system in America was NEVER originally intended for non-European people. Over the cause of America's history, there had been variations of the law that was intended to prevent immigration by non-European Americans and most prominently was the Immigration Act of 1924 which used the National Origins Formula to legally prevent and restrict immigration to the US by non-Europeans for the purpose of "to preserve the ideal of American [Northwestern European] homogeneity".

 

It took Martin Luther King and some key proponents of the Civil Rights act to cast light on this discriminatory and racist policy to force Lyndon B. Johnson and Congress to repeal and amend this racist law via the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. 

 

So yes, if you are a non-European immigrant (Indian, African, Latino, Asian etc.), it is important to know this piece of history and understand that it took the black civil rights to make you able to immigrate here today. America was built on racism but it doesn't have to remain so. We've come a long way in undoing a lot of the racist policies of the US and we need to keep doing so - together. 

 

It is very refreshing to see people of ALL diverse backgrounds, race, religion etc. rallying together against this cause. We all need to keep up the good fight and make America the greatest country on planet Earth.

[MaleAlpha 314]

Wow! I had NO idea. Just read it and you are right! As an African Immigrant, it is eye opening that my ability to immigrate here rode on the waves of the Civil Rights Movement. Thank you for educating me. We need to educate ourselves as immigrants here and help build this country.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

That's pretty funny. It was risk taking, law abiding immigrants in the inner cities who mostly suffered when they had their businesses burned down and looted by BLM, Antifa, and these radical leftist movements that can't get people to buy into awful ideas so try to attain power through authoritarian means. It was clear with these violent political acts and ridiculous arguments juxtaposing US history with US in 2020 (two extremely different American societies in respect to racism) that they're not uniting anything. While people from all across the political spectrum condemned what Chauvin did and demanded justice for Floyd, the left, their wonderful media, and other deranged opportunists who took it upon themselves to sow division and wreak havoc. We saw as they demanded weak-willed people get on their knees, in cowardly fashion, complying, while they stood to lord over them not as equals but of tyrants getting weaker people to submit. This is one person who will not submit, my non-white immigrant wife is right by my side.. these movements can learn to win over hearts and minds like everyone else, with good ideas, or take a hike. The physical and psychological abuse of political opponents is what won't be tolerated.

Edited June 6, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[ManCharsey 254]

15 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

That's pretty funny. It was risk taking, law abiding immigrants in the inner cities who mostly suffered when they had their businesses burned down and looted by BLM, Antifa, and these radical leftist movements that can't get people to buy into awful ideas so try to attain power through authoritarian means. It was clear with these violent political acts and ridiculous arguments juxtaposing US history with US in 2020 (two extremely different American societies in respect to racism) that they're not uniting anything. While people from all across the political spectrum condemned what Chauvin did and demanded justice for Floyd, the left, their wonderful media, and other deranged opportunists who took it upon themselves to sow division and wreak havoc. We saw as they demanded weak-willed people get on their knees, in cowardly fashion, complying, while they stood to lord over them not as equals but of tyrants getting weaker people to submit. This is one person who will not submit, my non-white immigrant wife is right by my side.. these movements can learn to win over hearts and minds like everyone else, with good ideas, or take a hike. The physical and psychological abuse of political opponents is what won't be tolerated.

Calm down. I don't see where in my post, I talked about Antifa, radical left, burning businesses etc.

I talked about protests against injustice and racism towards black people. Unless you are against people standing up for their rights and protesting against racism, your rant is mislaced. Standing up against injustice is not "submitting" and standing up to support civil rights and racism doesn't make your race irrelevant. The sticking point in my post was that without the push by the civil rights movement to repeal and amend the racist immigration laws of this country, your non-white immigrant wife wouldn't be here. Let that sink in! Peace to you!

[MaleAlpha 314]

38 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

That's pretty funny. It was risk taking, law abiding immigrants in the inner cities who mostly suffered when they had their businesses burned down and looted by BLM, Antifa, and these radical leftist movements that can't get people to buy into awful ideas so try to attain power through authoritarian means. It was clear with these violent political acts and ridiculous arguments juxtaposing US history with US in 2020 (two extremely different American societies in respect to racism) that they're not uniting anything. While people from all across the political spectrum condemned what Chauvin did and demanded justice for Floyd, the left, their wonderful media, and other deranged opportunists who took it upon themselves to sow division and wreak havoc. We saw as they demanded weak-willed people get on their knees, in cowardly fashion, complying, while they stood to lord over them not as equals but of tyrants getting weaker people to submit. This is one person who will not submit, my non-white immigrant wife is right by my side.. these movements can learn to win over hearts and minds like everyone else, with good ideas, or take a hike. The physical and psychological abuse of political opponents is what won't be tolerated.

Confused. Are you replying to post above?

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

30 minutes ago, ManCharsey said:

Calm down. I don't see where in my post, I talked about Antifa, radical left, burning businesses etc.

I talked about protests against injustice and racism towards black people. Unless you are against people standing up for their rights and protesting against racism, your rant is mislaced. Standing up against injustice is not "submitting" and standing up to support civil rights and racism doesn't make your race irrelevant. The sticking point in my post was that without the push by the civil rights movement to repeal and amend the racist immigration laws of this country, your non-white immigrant wife wouldn't be here. Let that sink in! Peace to you!

Except 1) you're wrong (she doesn't need to thank black people, immigrant laws have been in the US since inception -- also these aren't merely "protests"), and 2) the logic espoused here is what's being used to justify burning down countless businesses of legal immigrants (many of whom are non-white) who did no injustice to anyone. In fact, if you look through their eyes, they see predominantly black people burning down and looting their stores, precisely the people you say they should be thanking. That's just putting myself in someone else's shoes, of course. You'd not catch me pulling these sort of stunts to those people, but thankfully there's no ounce of tact to this nutty movement.

 

14 minutes ago, MaleAlpha said:

Confused. Are you replying to post above?

Yep, and I was quite clear.. if you need me to walk you through the confusing part(s), I'm glad to help. 🙂

Edited June 6, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

That's pretty funny. It was risk taking, law abiding immigrants in the inner cities who mostly suffered when they had their businesses burned down and looted by BLM, Antifa, and these radical leftist movements that can't get people to buy into awful ideas so try to attain power through authoritarian means. It was clear with these violent political acts and ridiculous arguments juxtaposing US history with US in 2020 (two extremely different American societies in respect to racism) that they're not uniting anything. While people from all across the political spectrum condemned what Chauvin did and demanded justice for Floyd, the left, their wonderful media, and other deranged opportunists who took it upon themselves to sow division and wreak havoc. We saw as they demanded weak-willed people get on their knees, in cowardly fashion, complying, while they stood to lord over them not as equals but of tyrants getting weaker people to submit. This is one person who will not submit, my non-white immigrant wife is right by my side.. these movements can learn to win over hearts and minds like everyone else, with good ideas, or take a hike. The physical and psychological abuse of political opponents is what won't be tolerated.

 

  You don't even live in the USA.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

6 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  You don't even live in the USA.

Wrong.

[ManCharsey 254]

41 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Except 1) you're wrong (she doesn't need to thank black people, immigrant laws have been in the US since inception -- also these aren't merely "protests"), and 2) the logic espoused here is what's being used to justify burning down countless businesses of legal immigrants (many of whom are non-white) who did no injustice to anyone. In fact, if you look through their eyes, they see predominantly black people burning down and looting their stores, precisely the people you say they should be thanking. That's just putting myself in someone else's shoes, of course. You'd not catch me pulling these sort of stunts to those people, but thankfully there's no ounce of tact to this nutty movement.

 

Yep, and I was quite clear.. if you need me to walk you through the confusing part(s), I'm glad to help. 🙂

You're going off tangents and ranting again. If you cared about facts, you will know that the looting and rioting is being done by people of all races and actually is a very tiny minority of the protests occurring all over the country. An overwhelming majority of the protesters are actually non-black (white, Latino, Asian etc.) people who are standing up and supporting their black fellow citizens against the injustices they have faced. 

 

You seem to have a fascination for antifa, radical lefts etc. and that is OK. This is not a political post. This is a post against racism and injustice. If you don't support the cause against racism and injustice, maybe just declare your stand instead of beating about the bush with Antifa etc. Just know that your disagreement doesn't change anything. Those who believe in equality, justice and anti-racism, will keep fighting for the cause. Peace to you!

Edited June 7, 2020 by ManCharsey

[Steeleballz 7,550]

5 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Wrong.

 

   My apologies then. All those posts you have made about living in Canada led me to believe you lived in Canada.

[MaleAlpha 314]

34 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Yep, and I was quite clear.. if you need me to walk you through the confusing part(s), I'm glad to help. 🙂

Is everything OK?

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

Just now, ManCharsey said:

Going off tangents and ranting again. If you cared about facts, you will know that the looting and rioting is being done by people of all races and actually is a very tiny minority of the protests occurring all over the country. An overwhelming majority of the protesters are actually non-black people who are standing up and supporting their black fellow citizens against the injustices they have faced. 

 

You seem to have a fascination for antifa, radical lefts etc. and that is OK. This is not a political post. This is a post against racism and injustice. If you don't support the cause against racism and injustice, maybe just declare your stand instead of beating about the bush with Antifa etc. Also now that your disagreement doesn't change anything. Those who believe in the equality, justice and anti-racism, will keep fighting for the cause. Peace to you!

Or you could be less passive about calling people racist because they don't see racial issues in your lens. 

 

Apparently, not even the (security) cameras' lenses:

 

 

 

 

If you were to try and explain with the demographics of that location, you might have an actual argument, but instead you went with the false idea that everyone is doing these things equally. Incorrect.

 

My "fascination" with these people, from Antifa (overwhelmingly white), to BLM (overwhelmingly black), both overwhelmingly extreme left, is due to their prevalence and due to popular public discourse favoring their extremism. The idea of thanking one race is right in line with them. We thank the United States, not black or white or yellow or brown people. 

 

Also, not sure if you're aware, but this is in a political subforum, so political posts happen here. No doubt, singling demographics out and telling them how to think, who to thank, mentioning political civil rights leaders (and mangling their contributions), etc. is most certainly political. 

 

Anyhow, have fun conflating extremism with fighting racism. Racism was already at the best it had ever been in US history, unfortunately, some clearly prefer race conflict, which is why they try and solicit/monetize (financially or with political capital) racial conflicts. This is their comically reckless strategy of how they plan to attain power. I have more faith in the US.

 

14 minutes ago, MaleAlpha said:

Is everything OK?

Is something wrong?

[OriZ 3,165]

Refreshing? not my definition of what's going on but ooooookay.

 

Look, there's racism everywhere. Trust me, even in the most self righteous European countries. As someone who has lived outside of the US and has also spent time in dozens of other countries, I can tell you while racism in America certainly exists, it is blown way out of proportion when portrayed as immensely more common than anywhere else on planet earth. We need to stop any and all racism, we also need to stop all the stupidity surrounding this.

[cyclone27 710]

Well George Floyd incident wasn’t racism it was bad cop being indifferent and callous with a human life. 
 

Yet here is a recent case you can chew over...  

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/%3foutputType=amp

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Racism exists everywhere in the world, but America has very little actual racism; instead we have certain portions of the population who try to make it seem worse than it is.  Many who have never lived in foreign countries have not had the opportunity to see rampant racism.