New Forms I-485 and I-864 are coming Oct 15

[Usaph 18]

Seems like it's delayed:

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/11/769376154/n-y-judge-blocks-trump-administrations-public-charge-rule

[Just Paul 4,591]

4 minutes ago, Usaph said:

Seems like it's delayed:

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/11/769376154/n-y-judge-blocks-trump-administrations-public-charge-rule

This doesn't stop the Consulate Officers from denying for Public Charge.

[Shiran 1,134]

14 minutes ago, Usaph said:

Seems like it's delayed:

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/11/769376154/n-y-judge-blocks-trump-administrations-public-charge-rule

What does it mean in practical terms? The USCIS still asks for new forms. Even if judge blocks the enforcement of the rule, you are still expected to use the new forms, unless USCIS specifically says not to. And they can refule to accept the forms if they are not correctly filed. 

[DesiJase 52]

I haven't looked at the I-485, but there doesn't seem to be any major changes to the I-864. Honestly, there doesn't seem to be *that* much difference between what they are doing after the 15th and what they were doing before is there? I don't think anyone was ever supposed to be a public charge anyway. Aside from the totality of circumstances and the favorable and negative factors, I don't understand what the changes really are. Am I missing something?

[Crazy Cat 39,213]

1 minute ago, DesiJase said:

I haven't looked at the I-485, but there doesn't seem to be any major changes to the I-864. Honestly, there doesn't seem to be *that* much difference between what they are doing after the 15th and what they were doing before is there? I don't think anyone was ever supposed to be a public charge anyway. Aside from the totality of circumstances and the favorable and negative factors, I don't understand what the changes really are. Am I missing something?

The I-864 instructions appear to be identical except for a small note.  But have you seen the I-944?   It is totally new, and it digs into debt.......a totally new area.......

But you are correct in that the public charge issue is not new....and this judge's decision will probably mean little in the long run, imo.  We shall see.

[DesiJase 52]

2 minutes ago, missileman said:

The I-864 instructions appear to be identical except for a small note.  But have you seen the I-944?   It is totally new, and it digs into debt.......a totally new area.......

But you are correct in that the public charge issue is not new....and this judge's decision will probably mean little in the long run, imo.  We shall see.

I did see the I-944, but if I'm correct, that only applies to the beneficiary/immigrant which the majority of them seem to be all coming from K-1 or Spousal visa's yes? So not a lot of time to establish much debt/credit, so it still doesn't seem to be that much of a difference? It seemed like everyone was freaking out and scaring everyone but it's just enforcement of rules already in place from what I can figure. I did notice the injunction, which I see both sides of the coin so we'll see what happens.

[Sarge2155 4,570]

16 minutes ago, DesiJase said:

I haven't looked at the I-485, but there doesn't seem to be any major changes to the I-864. Honestly, there doesn't seem to be *that* much difference between what they are doing after the 15th and what they were doing before is there? I don't think anyone was ever supposed to be a public charge anyway. Aside from the totality of circumstances and the favorable and negative factors, I don't understand what the changes really are. Am I missing something?

Yes you are missing something look at the new form I-944!!!!

[DesiJase 52]

Just now, Sarge2155 said:

Yes you are missing something look at the new form I-944!!!!

I did read that form, thank you!

[Sarge2155 4,570]

11 minutes ago, DesiJase said:

I did see the I-944, but if I'm correct, that only applies to the beneficiary/immigrant which the majority of them seem to be all coming from K-1 or Spousal visa's yes? So not a lot of time to establish much debt/credit, so it still doesn't seem to be that much of a difference? It seemed like everyone was freaking out and scaring everyone but it's just enforcement of rules already in place from what I can figure. I did notice the injunction, which I see both sides of the coin so we'll see what happens.

That's the pitfall IMO the administration knows full well a new immigrant does not have a lot of what the new form I-944 is asking for so a lot of those boxes will be blank and or a No. Don't you think that will used against them one way or the other?

Edited October 11, 2019 by Sarge2155

[Crazy Cat 39,213]

2 minutes ago, Sarge2155 said:

Thats the pitfall IMO the administration knows full well a new immigrant does not have a lot of what the new form I-944 is asking for so a lot of those boxes will be blank and or a No. Don't you think that will used against them one way or the other?

****The I-944 has just been removed from the USCIS web site.  It was there 2 minutes ago.****

Edited October 11, 2019 by missileman

[Sarge2155 4,570]

1 hour ago, missileman said:

****The I-944 has just been removed from the USCIS web site.  It was there 2 minutes ago.****

Maybe the injunction by that judge had something to do with it, but I'm sure one way or the other parts of it will find it's way to the light  JMO!!

[Shiran 1,134]

51 minutes ago, Sarge2155 said:

Maybe the injunction by that judge had something to do with it, but I'm sure one way or the other parts of it will find it's way to the light  JMO!!

New editions of I-485 and I-864 were removed as well. 

[Dustin725 72]

26 minutes ago, Shiran said:

New editions of I-485 and I-864 were removed as well. 

Yeah I saw that as well, looks like the changes won’t happen for a while now. I’m betting the new medical care coverage proclamation that’s suppose to go into effect November 3rd will get blocked as well.

[Emw2290 50]

Hopefully this will stay in affect for awhile. I'm definitely happy about not having to fill out another form and include a lot of extra evidence. 

[Nyalimera 108]

Thankies everyone for being so on top of this topic! We've just started filling the forms out. Does this mean we're good to go with the old forms? I got them last week or do I need to redo them? x.x