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New York state goes to extraordinary lengths to catch wealthy residents who try to flee its burdensome taxes, leaving a gaping hole in the state’s treasury.

The aggressive approach by state tax collectors comes as the Empire State faces a $2.3 billion budget deficit that even Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo called “as serious as a heart attack.”

Cuomo, a vocal critic of President Trump, blamed congressional Republicans for passing tax reforms that reduced the state and local tax deduction Americans can take on their annual income tax forms -- meaning residents of high-tax blue states like New York have been feeling the pinch, sparking their exodus.

“This is the flip side. Tax the rich, tax the rich, tax the rich,” Cuomo said last month. “We did. Now, God forbid, the rich leave.”

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-goes-after-residents-fleeing-overtaxed-blue-state-for-low-tax-states-with-intrusive-audits


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So somehow it's Trump's fault that states like New York have outrageously high taxes? Why should the US government (taxpayers from every part of the US) have to supplement these high taxes? I'm glad the new tax law removed deductions for state taxes. Now people in states with high taxes will feel the pain and do something about it.


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2 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

So somehow it's Trump's fault that states like New York have outrageously high taxes? Why should the US government (taxpayers from every part of the US) have to supplement these high taxes? I'm glad the new tax law removed deductions for state taxes. Now people in states with high taxes will feel the pain and do something about it.

every thing is Trumps fault. He even got slammed because he said he was going to give A= care to the victims of the Alabama storm. The dems have nothing of substance to run on---The party of Higher taxes,  and illegal immigration . That's it, so they have to turn everything into race or class warfare 

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3 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

every thing is Trumps fault. He even got slammed because he said he was going to give A= care to the victims of the Alabama storm. The dems have nothing of substance to run on---The party of Higher taxes,  and illegal immigration . That's it, so they have to turn everything into race or class warfare 

And late term abortions.


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I think we have been over this. Southern states that receive several dollars from the federal government, for every dollar they pay in Federal taxes, use this advantage to attract retirees from northern States, that pay more in Federal taxes than they receive in benefits. The recent move by the Republicans to cut the amount of money people can deduct for paying state taxes has made the situation even more unfair.


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1 hour ago, Póg mo said:

I think we have been over this. Southern states that receive several dollars from the federal government, for every dollar they pay in Federal taxes, use this advantage to attract retirees from northern States, that pay more in Federal taxes than they receive in benefits. The recent move by the Republicans to cut the amount of money people can deduct for paying state taxes has made the situation even more unfair.

Even more unfair?  The OP article is really showing how unfair the states are in the way they tax people.  Personally, I am not sure why anyone would want to live or work in a high tax state.  Cuomo here is simply crying about people leaving his high tax state, and that is their free choice unless Cuomo is going to build a wall to keep people in.  On a side note, my cousin and her husband recently left NY State, but I never asked them if it was for tax reasons.  Next time I see them, I will ask and also see if NY sent an auditor after them.


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So they are going after people who have said they are no longer resident but actually are?

 

We have a small version of this in Colorado where people with 2 houses want to use the cheaper one to register their car and vice versa for Health Insurance.


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2 hours ago, Póg mo said:

I think we have been over this. Southern states that receive several dollars from the federal government, for every dollar they pay in Federal taxes, use this advantage to attract retirees from northern States, that pay more in Federal taxes than they receive in benefits. The recent move by the Republicans to cut the amount of money people can deduct for paying state taxes has made the situation even more unfair.

Unfair? So it's not unfair to take tax dollars the rest of us pay into the federal government to offset unseasonably high taxes socialist states put in place? In an indirect way that forces the rest of us to subsidize the out of control spending and social programs in these states. How is that fair?


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Bit odd demanding reduced taxes for the 1%


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1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

   Fairness? Taxes? If only Gary was still here. He could teach you all everything you ever wanted to know and more on this topic.

A Chest legend BTW. He was a puppet master. 

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6 hours ago, Póg mo said:

I think we have been over this. Southern states that receive several dollars from the federal government, for every dollar they pay in Federal taxes, use this advantage to attract retirees from northern States, that pay more in Federal taxes than they receive in benefits. The recent move by the Republicans to cut the amount of money people can deduct for paying state taxes has made the situation even more unfair.

Paying taxes is not a choice.  Where one lives, and how those taxes are collected, IS a choice.  

 

I have been alive for several decades.  For a small portion of those several decades, I have worked in NYC.  But I would NEVER move to NY state to be burdened by their excessive taxes.  No, no Southern state has done anything to attract me.  I am simply smart enough to realize that if I buy a home in NY, I will pay hundreds of thousands more in real estate tax than I will in say Alabama or Arkansas or South Carolina. It has nothing to do with recent tax cuts.  I chose not to live in NY 30 year ago, and 20 years ago, and 10 years ago, and next year, and... (hopefully you get the point).

 

I know a gal who sold her (paid off) home in SC, and moved to Long Island.  Mortgage aside, her property taxes were about $13,000 per year.  That;s more than some people’s mortgages in other states, including escrow.  WHY would anyone willing subject themselves to this?

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Texas has high property taxes but no state income tax.

The thing is, however, that one can buy a hell of a nice house for $250,000 in a big-city suburb.

In some other states (probably with at least equal property taxes), you can't get a crackerbox for double that.

 

I'll never again voluntarily live in a state that has an income tax.


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Oh -- to make Gov. Cuomo happy, should we build a border wall to keep New Yorkers out of Texas?


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5 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Texas has high property taxes but no state income tax.

The thing is, however, that one can buy a hell of a nice house for $250,000 in a big-city suburb.

In some other states (probably with at least equal property taxes), you can't get a crackerbox for double that.

 

I'll never again voluntarily live in a state that has an income tax.

Pretty much all states that have no income tax have higher property taxes.  FL and AK come to mind.

 

What I don't get is why NY has relatively high income AND property taxes.  Bad combo.

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