Illegals commit crimes at double the rate of native-born: Study

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The crime rate among illegal immigrants in Arizona is twice that of other residents, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Friday, citing a new report based on conviction data.

The report, from the Crime Prevention Research Center, used a previously untapped set of data from Arizona that detailed criminal convictions and found that illegal immigrants between 15 and 35 are less than 3 percent of the state’s population, but nearly 8 percent of its prison population.

And the crimes they were convicted of were, on the whole, more serious, said John R. Lott Jr., the report’s author and president of the research center.

His findings also challenge the general narrative that immigrants commit fewer crimes. Those past studies usually don’t look at legal versus illegal populations, Mr. Lott said.

Mr. Lott said the Arizona data is able to peek behind that curtain, and the differences between the populations were stark.

"There appears to be a huge difference between the two groups,” Mr. Lott said. “The type of person who goes through the process to legally immigrate in the United States appears to be very law-abiding versus even the U.S.-born population. The reverse is true for undocumented immigrants — they are committing crimes, and more serious crimes.”

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Among nearly 4,000 first- and second-degree murder convictions, undocumented immigrants accounted for nearly 13 percent — significantly higher than their percentage of the population. Legal immigrants, by contrast, were less than 1 percent of convicts. Native-born made up the rest.

Undocumented immigrants also accounted for five times the rate of convictions for money laundering and kidnapping, and were three times more likely to be convicted of drive-by shootings.

The data covered from 1985 to 2017. For his data purposes, Mr. Lott defined undocumented immigrants as those who weren’t U.S. citizens or green card holders, signaling permanent residency.

He said the crime rates of the undocumented who were ages 18 to 35 was particularly important, given the ongoing debate over legalizing illegal immigrant “Dreamers.” He said the Arizona data showed that population had crime rates 250 percent higher than their share of the population would have predicted.

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/26/illegals-commit-crimes-double-rate-native-born-stu/

 

 

Related article:

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-22/bombshell-dhs-report-reveals-30-federal-inmates-illegal

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A couple things I found to be of interest here. First of all we now have studies both at the state and federal level that show illegal aliens commit serious crimes at a far larger rate than any other segment of the population. The second thing I found interesting is legal immigrants commit the least amount of crime out of any segment of the population including native born citizens.

 

Here are a few conclusions one could draw from those facts. First of all the vetting process in place for potential immigrants when used properly is an effective measure for keeping criminals out. Although I would say there is room for improvement as far as efficiency and speed goes. Also people who are willing to go through the legal process don't want to mess up and risk deportation. The other conclusion one could draw is if we had effective measures to keep illegals out we could for the most part keep crime committed by immigrants under control.

 

As far as DACA goes I am all for making legal people who were legitimately brought here as kids as long as they aren't criminals. Here is how I would do it. The DACA recipients would apply for a green card like anyone else. They would be issued a temporary visa that lasts until the immigration process is completed assuming they pass a criminal background check. After being approved through the immigration process they would get a green card. I would only be in favor of this if something was done to prevent people from coming here illegally in the future and penalties for illegal immigration were made more severe.

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It makes sense to me, actually.   People who break the law to get here are more prone to breaking other laws.

 

People who fight and pay their way here legally probably are very reluctant to break the law and hurt either their image or their chances of staying here.

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The other thing I forgot to mention is that someone could reasonably conclude from the types of crimes committed by illegals many of them are members of MS13 or other violent gangs. But the left makes them all out to be angels.

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I heard this report being discussed on the radio a couple of weeks ago, and it's just now hitting the press.

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John Lott has been  caught numerous times offering junk research, fabricating facts around whether his studies were peer reviewed and even creating sockpuppet accounts on Amazon to fake reviews of his book. I am sceptical about any if his work that has not been peer reviewed.

 

Even the uber conservatives Washington Times seems sceptical

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The Washington Times had asked several experts to look at Mr. Lott’s research paper but some didn’t respond, while one said he was unable to get Mr. Lott’s data and had questions about Mr. Lott’s methodology."

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1 hour ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

John Lott has been  caught numerous times offering junk research, fabricating facts around whether his studies were peer reviewed and even creating sockpuppet accounts on Amazon to fake reviews of his book. I am sceptical about any if his work that has not been peer reviewed.

 

Even the uber conservatives Washington Times seems sceptical

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The Washington Times had asked several experts to look at Mr. Lott’s research paper but some didn’t respond, while one said he was unable to get Mr. Lott’s data and had questions about Mr. Lott’s methodology."

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You omitted this part of the article:

 

 "Mr. Lott said told The Times that the data belonged to Arizona and his agreement was that he wouldn’t give out the raw data without their approval"

 

You are also ignoring the federal data that matches up with the data from Arizona. Can you provide any studies that contradict the Arizona and the federal data? I'm sorry this destroys the leftist narrative that all illegals are law abiding dreamers but the numbers don't lie.

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34 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

You omitted this part of the article:

 

 "Mr. Lott said told The Times that the data belonged to Arizona and his agreement was that he wouldn’t give out the raw data without their approval"

 

You are also ignoring the federal data that matches up with the data from Arizona. Can you provide any studies that contradict the Arizona and the federal data? I'm sorry this destroys the leftist narrative that all illegals are law abiding dreamers but the numbers don't lie.

Is this data doubting left the same left that still insist there was Russian interference in the Presidential election, and are sure Hillary never did anything wrong?  LOL

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5 hours ago, Neonred said:

Is this data doubting left the same left that still insist there was Russian interference in the Presidential election, and are sure Hillary never did anything wrong?  LOL

No the data doubting is occurring in a very right leaning publication, in your link, where they could not find any scholar to back up his study. Even the data, at the authors own statement, is not available for review.  At this point of the process you cannot say this is a published study that proves anything. 

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7 hours ago, jg121783 said:

You omitted this part of the article:

 

 "Mr. Lott said told The Times that the data belonged to Arizona and his agreement was that he wouldn’t give out the raw data without their approval"

 

You are also ignoring the federal data that matches up with the data from Arizona. Can you provide any studies that contradict the Arizona and the federal data? I'm sorry this destroys the leftist narrative that all illegals are law abiding dreamers but the numbers don't lie.

You don't have an academic study. To do that you need it peer reviewed and published in a journal aligned to your discipline. Because the data is not available, the research cannot be reviewed or duplicated.   This study maybe spot on or total garbage, we don't know at this point. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

No the data doubting is occurring in a very right leaning publication, in your link, where they could not find any scholar to back up his study. Even the data, at the authors own statement, is not available for review.  At this point of the process you cannot say this is a published study that proves anything. 

You totally missed the point.....

 

Hope I wasn't making it too difficult for you.

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When to data is contra logical then it is natural to look for bias in the data, nothing illogical here.

 

Especially when it seem the according to another thread the number of illegals has been going down so the rate of crimes committed naturally goes up.

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38 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

You don't have an academic study. To do that you need it peer reviewed and published in a journal aligned to your discipline. Because the data is not available, the research cannot be reviewed or duplicated.   This study maybe spot on or total garbage, we don't know at this point. 

 

 

The federal data is available for anyone to see and it shows the same trend as the Arizona study. If that weren't the case you might have an argument. But in this situation there is no reason to doubt the Arizona study as much as the left hates to admit it shatters their narrative.

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2 hours ago, jg121783 said:

The federal data is available for anyone to see and it shows the same trend as the Arizona study. If that weren't the case you might have an argument. But in this situation there is no reason to doubt the Arizona study as much as the left hates to admit it shatters their narrative.

You  cannot  know if the federal numbers match the Arizona numbers , the Arizona numbers are not available. What peer reviewed studies are available on the Federal numbers? (And please don't cite Mr Lott for the fed study.

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20 hours ago, jg121783 said:

The other thing I forgot to mention is that someone could reasonably conclude from the types of crimes committed by illegals many of them are members of MS13 or other violent gangs. But the left makes them all out to be angels.

 

  Where do you see the left defending MS13? Typical of many posters here, they can't let go of the hyperbole long enough to make the point they want to make. If you could get out of your own way once in a while, you might find people more amicable to discussion.