Trump's future immigration policies- speculation MEGATHREAD

[LionessDeon 2,060]

I do not believe most trump supporters intended on keep LPRs out. At least I would hope not. 

He can add new countries at anytime. So theoretically you could leave on vacation and he could add your country to the list while your gone. When you come back you could be denied entry. 

If you are in FB please read Nazanin Zinouri story. 

[FloridaMinsk 88]

This has been known for over a year now this would happen.    This is only a temporary stoppage while they check people out further.    

 

If if you are from one of these nations and currently here then it's not recommended you travel until you can be checked out and cleared. 

 

I hope everyone dealing with with this issue finds a way to get back with their loved ones.  

[JayJayH 546]

So far, a whole lot of speculation. This EO doesn't seem to have been very well thought out. What's perhaps most shocking is that LPRs are adversely affected - I'm not sure that part will hold up, whether in court, or whether through further clarification.

 

Most of this is media speculation for now. Watch out for wording if you want to understand this better.

 

It's helpful for you guys if we clarify what this is and what it isn't.

 

- It isn't a permanent ban on Muslims.

- It is a 90 day moratorium (call it a bar) on entries from the countries mentioned, while new vetting procedures are put in place.

 

It originally affected all travelers with a passport from those 7 countries, except those holding dual citizenship. A federal judged ruled that those already at U.S. airports were to be allowed entry.

My guess (and sincere hope) is that further clarification or a court order will extend relief for LPRs.

[Leo7777 243]

13 hours ago, LionessDeon said:

He can add new countries at anytime. So theoretically you could leave on vacation and he could add your country to the list while your gone. When you come back you could be denied entry.

Yes, of course new countries can be added at any time.

And, it has always been the case that anyone (except citizens) of USA can be denied entry to USA regardless of the visa they hold or even holding Green Card.  Citizens of USA cannot be denied entry, but they can certainly be taken aside at POE, questioned, and turned over to appropriate law enforcement agencies for jailing and prosecution.  Those who are not USA citizens should have no reason to think that they will receive treatment better than what could happen to USA citizen.

 

I (and others should have also) studied this issue when first getting involved with a person from another country.

 

My wife came on a student visa, then stayed on a employment visa and now has 2 year green card.  I advised her from the beginning that any trip she took back to her home country involved some risk of not being let back into USA.  She and I continued to review that issue before each of her trips outside the USA.

 

The customs agents have always had broad authority to refuse entry to anyone regardless of their seemingly perfect visa status.  A visa only gives the authorization to appear at a POE to USA;  it does not guarantee admittance.  This is the same for virtually every country in the world.

[Leo7777 243]

10 hours ago, JayJayH said:

What's perhaps most shocking is that LPRs are adversely affected - I'm not sure that part will hold up, whether in court, or whether through further clarification.

 

- It isn't a permanent ban on Muslims.

 

A federal judged ruled that those already at U.S. airports were to be allowed entry.

 

Yes, it will hold up in court.  LPR's can be denied entry to USA.  Only USA citizens cannot be denied entry, but they can be detained, arrested and taken into custody.

 

Not only is it not a permanent ban on Muslims . . . it is NOT a ban on Muslims.

Do any realize that more Muslims live in Indonesia than any other country?

 

That is NOT what the judge ruled!

The ruling was that persons could not be immediately deported.

They could  still be held and deported later.

 

But, as I understand it . . . despite the hysteria . . . there were only 100-200 people detained, out of 325,000 who entered USA on Saturday . . . and all but 12 of them are now released into USA.

 

I (and probably many here) have been delayed in reaching my destination by several days due to weather, mechanical problems, strikes at airports, etc.  But thousands of people did not turn out to protest my delay.

[FloridaMinsk 88]

Kellyanne Conway said nothing will stop and the stays are irrelevant.  

 

Sounds like the ACLU and other leftist organizations are just using this scenario to fundraise.   

 

He hasnt banned anyone.   Just paused for up to 120 days.   We should not get hysterical because some groups want to profit.  

 

 

[FloridaMinsk 88]

1 hour ago, Leo7777 said:

Yes, it will hold up in court.  LPR's can be denied entry to USA.  Only USA citizens cannot be denied entry, but they can be detained, arrested and taken into custody.

 

Not only is it not a permanent ban on Muslims . . . it is NOT a ban on Muslims.

Do any realize that more Muslims live in Indonesia than any other country?

 

That is NOT what the judge ruled!

The ruling was that persons could not be immediately deported.

They could  still be held and deported later.

 

But, as I understand it . . . despite the hysteria . . . there were only 100-200 people detained, out of 325,000 who entered USA on Saturday . . . and all but 12 of them are now released into USA.

 

I (and probably many here) have been delayed in reaching my destination by several days due to weather, mechanical problems, strikes at airports, etc.  But thousands of people did not turn out to protest my delay.

Great post 

[zuluweta 250]

4 hours ago, Leo7777 said:

Yes, it will hold up in court.  LPR's can be denied entry to USA.  Only USA citizens cannot be denied entry, but they can be detained, arrested and taken into custody.

 

Not only is it not a permanent ban on Muslims . . . it is NOT a ban on Muslims.

Do any realize that more Muslims live in Indonesia than any other country?

 

That is NOT what the judge ruled!

The ruling was that persons could not be immediately deported.

They could  still be held and deported later.

 

But, as I understand it . . . despite the hysteria . . . there were only 100-200 people detained, out of 325,000 who entered USA on Saturday . . . and all but 12 of them are now released into USA.

 

I (and probably many here) have been delayed in reaching my destination by several days due to weather, mechanical problems, strikes at airports, etc.  But thousands of people did not turn out to protest my delay.

Was your first world inconvenience of a flight delay directly due to official government policy? I don't think so. 

 

Moreover, a flight delay is not equivalent to someone being prevented from getting on a flight based on someone's nationality (despite having a valid visa or a green card).

 

There is a big difference why many protested the immigration bans versus almost none for your flight delay.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

5 hours ago, Leo7777 said:

Yes, it will hold up in court.  LPR's can be denied entry to USA.  Only USA citizens cannot be denied entry, but they can be detained, arrested and taken into custody.

 

Not only is it not a permanent ban on Muslims . . . it is NOT a ban on Muslims.

Do any realize that more Muslims live in Indonesia than any other country?

 

That is NOT what the judge ruled!

The ruling was that persons could not be immediately deported.

They could  still be held and deported later.

 

But, as I understand it . . . despite the hysteria . . . there were only 100-200 people detained, out of 325,000 who entered USA on Saturday . . . and all but 12 of them are now released into USA.

 

I (and probably many here) have been delayed in reaching my destination by several days due to weather, mechanical problems, strikes at airports, etc.  But thousands of people did not turn out to protest my delay.

 

 

You get the trophy for the most ridiculous comment today. How dare you compare yourself to these people while you sit
snug in your home with your spouse ! Dig deeper and read about the hardship they went through before you post.

[LionessDeon 2,060]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politics/donald-trump-refugees-executive-order/index.html

 

AND:

 

“Customs and Border Protection shall notify airlines that flights arriving at Logan Airport of this order and the fact that individuals on these flights will not be detained or returned based solely on the basis of the executive order,” U.S. District Judge Allison D. Burroughs said in a ruling signed by her earlier today and co-signed by U.S. Magistrate Judge Judith Gail Dein.

Edited January 30, 2017 by LionessDeon

[FloridaMinsk 88]

2 minutes ago, LionessDeon said:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politics/donald-trump-refugees-executive-order/index.html

 

AND:

 

“Customs and Border Protection shall notify airlines that flights arriving at Logan Airport of this order and the fact that individuals on these flights will not be detained or returned based solely on the basis of the executive order,” U.S. District Judge Allison D. Burroughs said in a ruling signed by her earlier today and co-signed by U.S. Magistrate Judge Judith Gail Dein.

 

So this is doing exactly what it was intended to do.   Further screen people from those 7 countries at passport control.   

 

All the EO says is that they will face further screening at the border and in the meantime no further visas will be given out until they get a new plan in place to further screen them.    

 

This is is exactly why he campaigned on and exactly what Americans wanted.    

 

It's only stressful because of the hysteria from the media and leftist organizations looking to fundraise off this matter.   

 

109 people detained at the border and all but 12 have been released as of this morning.    There is absolutely nothing wrong with checking people further from questionable areas deemed by even the obama administration as shady and questionable. 

[yuna628 9,530]

5 hours ago, Leo7777 said:

Yes, it will hold up in court.  LPR's can be denied entry to USA.  Only USA citizens cannot be denied entry, but they can be detained, arrested and taken into custody.

 

Not only is it not a permanent ban on Muslims . . . it is NOT a ban on Muslims.

Do any realize that more Muslims live in Indonesia than any other country?

 

That is NOT what the judge ruled!

The ruling was that persons could not be immediately deported.

They could  still be held and deported later.

 

But, as I understand it . . . despite the hysteria . . . there were only 100-200 people detained, out of 325,000 who entered USA on Saturday . . . and all but 12 of them are now released into USA.

 

I (and probably many here) have been delayed in reaching my destination by several days due to weather, mechanical problems, strikes at airports, etc.  But thousands of people did not turn out to protest my delay.

Yes because having weather delays is so totally the same as being a legal resident of this country and being dragged off your flight, detained, handcuffed, questioned, had your property confiscated, denied council, coerced to sign your green card away, and then punted out of the country for no reason whatsoever...

 

 

[FloridaMinsk 88]

1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

Yes because having weather delays is so totally the same as being a legal resident of this country and being dragged off your flight, detained, handcuffed, questioned, had your property confiscated, denied council, coerced to sign your green card away, and then punted out of the country for no reason whatsoever...

 

 

 

So you contend they forced people to sign away their green cards yesterday?  Where is your proof? 

[yuna628 9,530]

6 minutes ago, FloridaMinsk said:

 

So you contend they forced people to sign away their green cards yesterday?  Where is your proof? 

 This has been reported many times and it alarmed the collective of lawyers that desperately gathered to try and help these people. It's easy to coerce a frightened immigrant when they do not have access to legal council. They did it to LPRs, and they did it to other visa holders too. One man's elderly father refused to sign (still being denied council) and was told he would go to jail. His son, waiting for him in the Dallas airport, doesn't even know where his father is now.

 

 

[KierenHby 897]

6 hours ago, Leo7777 said:

But, as I understand it . . . despite the hysteria . . . there were only 100-200 people detained, out of 325,000 who entered USA on Saturday . . . and all but 12 of them are now released into USA.

 

I (and probably many here) have been delayed in reaching my destination by several days due to weather, mechanical problems, strikes at airports, etc.  But thousands of people did not turn out to protest my delay.

109.. according to DHS. 

 

Cannot compare a mechanical\weather delay to the inconvenience of those not (initially) admitted despite valid visas; some of whom were held incommunicado for a while.