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#1 Bleu

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 01:49 AM

Me and my fiancee are both Hindi and have been arranged to marry. She is in India and I am in America. We have never meet and we are not aloud to meet until marriage. We attend to have a traditional marriage here in America, due to my current health conditions. The problem is, I read that you can not apply for fiancee visa without meeting? Is there anyway at all that I can send for my bride? Or have any recommendation for a good consultant?
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#2 JoannaV

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 02:17 AM

What is the specific reason that you cannot meet until marriage? The only way to waive the meeting requirement is either to prove that it is impossible (ie neither of you can physically travel out of your respective countries, not just that it is hard to do so but it is impossible) or to prove that it is against your religion to do so. And that latter is hard to prove, or hard for USCIS to accept. It would have to be documented that within your particular subsect of your religion it really was impossible for the couple to lay eyes on each other before marriage. This is hard to prove as it is rare for a religion to actually dictate that a couple can never see each other in the street, you know?
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#3 VanessaTony

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 02:18 AM

Me and my fiancee are both Hindi and have been arranged to marry. She is in India and I am in America. We have never meet and we are not aloud to meet until marriage. We attend to have a traditional marriage here in America, due to my current health conditions. The problem is, I read that you can not apply for fiancee visa without meeting? Is there anyway at all that I can send for my bride? Or have any recommendation for a good consultant?

You don't really have a choice. You can do the K1 route which requires having met in person in the last 2 years, or you can get married and go the Cr-1 spousal route.

The Cr-1 requires you to be married so she will require a tourist visa to marry you, or you'll need to get married in India. I don't know how hard it is to get visitor visas from India to the US.

You can TRY and get a waiver of the meeting requirement but I've read it is VERY hard to get and if you are denied the request then you will lose the money for the application.
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#4 Ryan H

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 02:43 AM

due to my current health conditions. The problem is, I read that you can not apply for fiancee visa without meeting? Is there anyway at all that I can send for my bride? Or have any recommendation for a good consultant?


You mentioned your current health conditions, would a doctor say those conditions absolutely preclude you from flying to India? Keep in mind that the "physically impossible" that JoannaV references often means living in a bubble or iron lung. As for the no being allowed to see each other prior to marriage, you can apply for a waiver, but you will have to jump through many, many, many, many, many hoops proving that your religion prohibits meeting before marriage. Again, as JoannaV said, it's very difficult to prove and those that have obtained those waivers would probably be the first to tell you just how hard it is.

so she will require a tourist visa to marry you, or you'll need to get married in India. I don't know how hard it is to get visitor visas from India to the US.


Entering the US on a tourist visa with the intent to stay and adjust status is FRAUD. She can get a tourist visa, marry you, and then return to India and then you file for a CR-1. However, she would have to show strong ties to India before being issued one.
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#5 Penguin_ie

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 04:10 AM

I know many Hindus who met before marriage. They may not be allowed to be alone together, but they can meet with a chaperone or in the female's family's home. There is a waiver available if you truly cannot meet, but it will be costly and take a long time, and chances of getting approved are extremely slim- I have only ever seen one case. You would need to proof that this is absolutely, completely forbidden in your culture, not just "not normally done".
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Posted 02 April 2011 - 06:01 AM

While we don't know the details of your medical condition and how serious the extent of it is, the 'cultural' reason is simply not going to fly. I am a Hindu myself and nowhere in the religion is it absolutely forbidden to meet before marriage. I have attended countless Hindu weddings (including arranged marriages) and all of the couples had met each before the wedding ceremony. In fact, I remember being the 'chaperone' when my cousin was looking for a suitable wife and we were visiting the prospective brides at their homes. I was like, ten or twelve then, and it was mad awkward being shuffled into the room with the couple which would allow them half an hour or so to talk in (relative) privacy.

Like Penguin pointed out, while your family may be conservative and traditional, you would need documented proof that meeting prior to marriage is completely forbidden and not simply inappropriate in your family's eyes.
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#7 Bleu

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 02:32 PM

Thank you all for your feedback. We aren't allowed to met due to her past engagement where her finance forced her into sex, before the we to marry and left after he had his way with her. The rule with my health condition is I suffer with agoraphobia and literally have attempted to jump out of a moving car out of fear. Spazing out it a car is one thing. Even if i were allowed permission to see her before marriage, or marry in India before even meeting. I would still have to make it to an airport as well as survive a 24 hour flight without attempting to escape the plane or injuring myself.

Why does our government seem to be treating marrying foreigners as a crime? Seems as if we are guilty until proven innocent... We are their masters, after all.
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Posted 02 April 2011 - 03:15 PM

i dont think that's an excuse good enough for them to approve a k1 without you 2 meeting in person. my fiance has height phobia, a bad one, and he still travelled 20 hours with the plane just to see me this winter, and 20 hours back in america.
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#9 baron555

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 03:20 PM

Thank you all for your feedback. We aren't allowed to met due to her past engagement where her finance forced her into sex, before the we to marry and left after he had his way with her. The rule with my health condition is I suffer with agoraphobia and literally have attempted to jump out of a moving car out of fear. Spazing out it a car is one thing. Even if i were allowed permission to see her before marriage, or marry in India before even meeting. I would still have to make it to an airport as well as survive a 24 hour flight without attempting to escape the plane or injuring myself.

Why does our government seem to be treating marrying foreigners as a crime? Seems as if we are guilty until proven innocent... We are their masters, after all.




Well, the system works for most people...you understand that you are a very special case. So therefore if you can obtain as many professional doctors and psychiatrists opinions about your condition, then you might be eligible for a waiver.

Don't forget that you don't NEED to in India, you two can meet anywhere you two can get together. For example, Mexico.

What about heavy sedation during the car and plane ride?

Do you make enough income to support her?
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#10 KiwiBird

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 03:28 PM

Forgive me, but why can't she travel here to meet you? Couldn't she come over on a visitor's visa in order to make contact?
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#11 Penguin_ie

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 04:37 PM

The scenario you describe does not preclude her from meeting with you though in the presence of family to "keep her safe". They will not accept a previous rape, as sad as this is, for you not to meet. You can meet in a public place and/or with her family present. She will at the very least need to apply for a tourist visa a couple of times (a chaperone can apply too) and be denied for them to accept that she cannot meet you. As mentioned above, also investigate the possibility of you travelling (by car sedated? Train?) to Canada or Mexico, if she cannot get a tourist visa to the USA.
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The government isn't treating marrying a foreign a crime. Entering and living in the US is a privilege, not a right, even if you are married to a US citizen. With the privilege comes certain rules and regulations. You must abide by them to be allowed to enter. Living in a different culture comes with at bare minimum a small degree of assimilation. I understand the reasons for not meeting, but at some point in your life in the US, you will have to accept certain US customs and traditions. Meeting in person is one of these 'traditions'. The situation you describe does not fall under religious reasons, it is a personal one - USCIS is not going to accept that as a valid reason for your non-meeting.
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#14 VanessaTony

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 06:04 PM

Entering the US on a tourist visa with the intent to stay and adjust status is FRAUD. She can get a tourist visa, marry you, and then return to India and then you file for a CR-1. However, she would have to show strong ties to India before being issued one.

I'm aware of that however thank you for clarifying the "she would have to leave" part. I figured that was obvious as the beginning of the statement was: "The Cr-1 requires you to be married so she will require a tourist visa to marry you..." but you're right I should have mentioned that she would then need to leave to file CR-1.
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Thank you all for your feedback. We aren't allowed to met due to her past engagement where her finance forced her into sex, before the we to marry and left after he had his way with her. The rule with my health condition is I suffer with agoraphobia and literally have attempted to jump out of a moving car out of fear. Spazing out it a car is one thing. Even if i were allowed permission to see her before marriage, or marry in India before even meeting. I would still have to make it to an airport as well as survive a 24 hour flight without attempting to escape the plane or injuring myself.

Why does our government seem to be treating marrying foreigners as a crime? Seems as if we are guilty until proven innocent... We are their masters, after all.


I seriously doubt you will be successful in getting a waiver of the two year meeting requirement based on what you've told us.

The Hindu prohibition on the bride and groom meeting before the wedding is not absolute, and the majority of Hindu couples in arranged marriages do meet at least a few times in a chaperoned environment before the wedding. You would have had a better chance getting a waiver based on strict social customs about 50 years ago, but not today. India simply isn't like that anymore. USCIS gets requests for waivers everyday from Hindu petitioners, and they deny them routinely.

You have a better chance of getting a waiver based partly on your medical condition, but you're going to have to prove that it's physically impossible for you or her to travel to any common location to meet. Further, you're going to have to prove that you've tried every possible option to meet, and failed.

Finally, you're going to have to deal with a potential presumption of immigration fraud by USCIS and the US consulate abroad. If you make an appeal for a waiver of the two year meeting requirement based on the facts you've stated here then that presumption is going to be ratcheted up several notches. If you also happen to have relatively low income, are collecting SSI, or are going to need a joint sponsor for the affidavit of support, then that presumption is a virtual guarantee. Someone in those circumstances has a motive to agree to marry someone to help them immigrate - cash from the intending immigrant or their family. They would also use the excuse of an arranged marriage to explain the lack of apparent emotional ties between them and their intended fiancee, the lack of evidence of an ongoing relationship, and the lack of any regular communication with their fiancee. They would also try to avoid having to meet the two year meeting requirement because, on the one hand, it's an added expense that they would want to avoid, and on the other hand, what's the point of meeting someone you have no real intention of spending the rest of your life with?

Understand that I'm not accusing you of any of the above, but an immigration officer or consular officer is going to read your story in black and white and this is what's going to be going through their minds. Here's a couple who are doing the bare minimum necessary in order to meet the requirements, and even trying to get a fundamental requirement waived. This fits the stereotypical pattern of immigration fraud - a convenient built-in excuse for not having any of they evidence they usually require, both with the petition and at the consular interview.

I think your waiver request will be denied. Further, I think if you even file the waiver request it will result in additional delays and investigation of your case when you do finally meet the requirements and meet each other face to face, or get married. I think your chances of success will improve dramatically if you can find a way to get to India and meet your fiancee, and perhaps even marry while you're there. Load up on anti-depressants and benzodiazapenes, and book a cabin on a passenger ship, if you must.

Why does our government treat marrying foreigners as a crime? Because, far too often, it is a crime. Immigration fraud is a widespread problem, and the law requires DHS and Department of State to do everything they can to prevent it. There are minimum statutory requirements you have to meet in order to get a petition approved, and then discretionary requirements that vary from one country to another that are applied by the consulates. These are high hoops to jump through, and all of us have to jump through them if we expect to succeed. Many of us have our demons we've had to fight in order to get through this - I know I certainly had my own. This is something I think you can do if you're determined enough to do it. You may even find it to be incredibly therapeutic.

Good luck.
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