LIVE: Conservative influencer Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

[Pooky 3,906]

36 minutes ago, Crazy Cat said:

I saw that, too.  I think this will turn out to be exactly what I expected........and the media is complicit.

But to fire only one shot and leave the rest to be found with the rifle seems staged to me. The reports I have seen described the gun as a .30, bolt action rifle, not the usual AR-15 style “assault rifle”, which, in my opinion, is not the kind of weapon to be discarded carelessly, unless you want it found.

 

Together with the old guy detained at the scene, I smell a certain kind of red fish 🐠 

Edited 22 hours ago by Pooky
Because I can ☠️

[Ban Hammer 14,447]

1 hour ago, Pooky said:

But to fire only one shot and leave the rest to be found with the rifle seems staged to me. The reports I have seen described the gun as a .30, bolt action rifle, not the usual AR-15 style “assault rifle”, which, in my opinion, is not the kind of weapon to be discarded carelessly, unless you want it found.

 

Together with the old guy detained at the scene, I smell a certain kind of red fish 🐠 

1.  from what i have seen, it's an old rifle - probably will turn out to be stolen.  i had a feeling when i saw the video that it wasn't a 5.56 based on the

devastating impact.
2.  lugging a rifle around for a considerable distance would have made spotting the shooter much easier as word spread about the incident, which is
why i believe it was left in the area.
3.  a typical 30-06 bullet is around 150 grain (30-06 can range from 110 grain to 220 grain, 220 grain is for moose/bear), about twice the weight of a 5.56 bullet.  the damage a .30 caliber rifle does is superior to that of a 5.56/.223 - which is why some states have a minimum caliber requirement for deer hunting and may prohibit a rifle shooting the 5.56/.223 - note state laws vary on this - usually the further north one goes (where there is larger deer) the minimum caliber requirement increases.
4.  and yeah, i too have been wondering about that guy - wasn't he the one asking the question that charlie was answering?  i felt this entire scenario was like a pre-arranged signal to fire when charlie started answering....

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[yuna628 9,898]

9 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

1.  from what i have seen, it's an old rifle - probably will turn out to be stolen.  i had a feeling when i saw the video that it wasn't a 5.56 based on the

devastating impact.
2.  lugging a rifle around for a considerable distance would have made spotting the shooter much easier as word spread about the incident, which is
why i believe it was left in the area.
3.  a typical 30-06 bullet is around 150 grain (30-06 can range from 110 grain to 220 grain, 220 grain is for moose/bear), about twice the weight of a 5.56
bullet.  the damage a .30 caliber rifle does is superior to that of a 5.56/.223 - which is why some states have a minimum caliber requirement for deer

hunting and may prohibit a rifle shooting the 5.56/.223 - note state laws vary on this - usually the further north one goes (where there is larger deer) the

minimum caliber requirement increases.
 

It's a  Mauser is what was floated around this morning.

 

Just a question for those that are familiar with firearms. How skilled would you have to be with this rifle to pull this off at that distance? There is a TMZ video showing the individual walking around a neighborhood nearby. He's walking very odd, a limp perhaps, or maybe he has the gun strapped under a pants leg. The gun obviously wasn't able to be taken apart, so how did the guy conceal it while walking around campus? Surely he would have had to scope out and plan for multiple scenarios...

 

We also unfortunately seem to be having something happening at the Naval Academy right now.

Edited 21 hours ago by yuna628

[Boiler 47,881]

200 yds well I would need to get some practice in. Mention of a scope assuming it was zeroed in at point blank that would be about a 10 inch drop for an average .308.

 

Hunting you would most often need to lead your target but stationary and someone who has range time you would not even need anything special in the way of a scope.

 

if he know the distance he could have zeroed beforehand. Where I am 200 yds would be a normal range so most set it for that.

 

 

[Ban Hammer 14,447]

20 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

It's a  Mauser is what was floated around this morning.

 

Just a question for those that are familiar with firearms. How skilled would you have to be with this rifle to pull this off at that distance? There is a TMZ video showing the individual walking around a neighborhood nearby. He's walking very odd, a limp perhaps, or maybe he has the gun strapped under a pants leg. The gun obviously wasn't able to be taken apart, so how did the guy conceal it while walking around campus? Surely he would have had to scope out and plan for multiple scenarios...

 

We also unfortunately seem to be having something happening at the Naval Academy right now.

"mauser" is the name of the design, and that design is from the late 1800's.  most rifles since then are described to have a "mauser action" which was so named to differentiate it from rifle designs in use back then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser

as i stated to someone on facebook - the rifle used is essentially a deer rifle, a 200 yard shot is not that difficult.  somewhere i have a target that i shot at 100 yards and grouped 3 shots together that can be covered by a nickle.  the bullets impacted right where i wanted - 1.5 inches higher than i was aiming.  setting the sights to do this will put the bullets right on the aim point at 200 yards or maybe a quarter inch lower than the aim point.  this was taught to me by my dad back in the 70's so this is not new wisdom.
my opinion - one does not need to be a trained sniper to hit the target at 200 yards.  if anything, a weekend on the range, 1-2 hours for 2 days, could make one competent enough to do this consistently.  the fact that the bullet impact the side of his neck also leads me to believe the shooter was not that well trained.

Edited 21 hours ago by Ban Hammer

[Boiler 47,881]

I assumed he was going for a head shot

 

https://www.mauser.com/us/MAUSER-18-Savanna-Tan/80113641

[Ban Hammer 14,447]

30 minutes ago, Boiler said:

200 yds well I would need to get some practice in. Mention of a scope assuming it was zeroed in at point blank that would be about a 10 inch drop for an average .308.

 

Hunting you would most often need to lead your target but stationary and someone who has range time you would not even need anything special in the way of a scope.

 

if he know the distance he could have zeroed beforehand. Where I am 200 yds would be a normal range so most set it for that.

 

 

1.  who zeros at point blank range?
2.  .308 and 30-06 perform very similar up to about 300 yards - i'd give 30-06 the nod if shooting 300+ yards
3.  i don't see a 10 inch drop at 200 yards.
4.  google maps could have given him an approximate distance, or he could have scouted it well in advance with a laser rangefinder.
 

[TBoneTX 47,889]

34 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

the bullet impact the side of his neck

If it took out his carotid artery, he was as imminently dead as if it had been a head shot.

[Ban Hammer 14,447]

Just now, TBoneTX said:

If it took out his carotid artery, he was as imminently dead as if it had been a head shot.

yes - and i don't believe even a highly trained sniper would have gone for that specific shot - just a minor bit of movement and it's a complete miss.  
if anything, it was luck of the draw in the shooter's favor.

[Legal Alien 182]

3 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

If it took out his carotid artery, he was as imminently dead as if it had been a head shot.

 

As soon as I saw the still with the impact location, I knew he was dead. It was the deadliest shot one could take aside from straight through the heart, deadlier than the head even. I didn't even have to see the half gallon of blood that came out nearly instantly after. I do not believe he was taken out of there alive, even though they may have tried all they could at the hospital. The ATF source that leaked to Crowder about the trans and antifa stuff engraved on the ammo said something to the effect that Charlie was shot and killed at around 12:20pm. He didn't say he was shot and taken to the hospital where he passed away. I have watched the video a few times and I do not believe anyone can survive that longer than about 30 seconds. My horse had a ruptured artery from a fall and was gone in seconds, this was not much different. I think he went for the neck on purpose because Charlie was under that tent and the shooter was elevated. Also, they might have not wanted to risk what happened in Butler. Charlie would often turn his head while listening and speaking like Trump did right at that moment. The neck was the safer bet and incredibly deadly. I think this WAS a skilled marksman. I also think it was a professional hit and that we will never hear the truth about it, just as we never heard the truth about Butler and are still being told there was only that kid on the roof while audio analysis has proven there were multiple shooters, plus there was footage of at least another shooter on the water tower. 

I really feel punched in the gut from this. Out of all conservative commentators and debaters, Charlie was the nicest of them all. Future president if you ask me. Whoever is taking his words out of context has either never fully listened to what he said, or they are brainwashed. You can disagree with his views, sure. But you can never say he didn't have good arguments to support his claims or that he was disrespectful. Charlie was a better person than 99% of the people I know. It feels personal. As if we, conservatives, are being hunted for our opinion. It has felt like that since Covid, but this just took it a step further. I am so appalled by some people, it is unthinkable to me to EVER celebrate ANYONE'S death, let alone a guy who literally loved God and the world and tried to educate young people and teach them to think for themselves. Black, black day.

Edited 17 hours ago by Legal Alien

[Crazy Cat 45,240]

!!!!!!BREAKING: Supposedly, they got the shooter....turned by his father!!!!

Edited 8 hours ago by Crazy Cat

[Ban Hammer 14,447]

1 hour ago, Crazy Cat said:

!!!!!!BREAKING: Supposedly, they got the shooter....turned by his father!!!!

22-year-old Utah local, Tyler Robinson.
his father is a 27-year veteran of the Washington County Sheriff's Department

Edited 6 hours ago by Ban Hammer

[yuna628 9,898]

From what I can piece together - looks like his mother is making attempts at scrubbing pages. Straight laced conservative family, she's very much all into being a "boy mom". He seemed educationally bright probably a lot of expectations on him. Can't say what he was involved in (I can imagine we're going to find out some activities online), but all the boys seemed to be experienced with guns and shooting. Everyone thinks Kirk's been killed by a person that hated him, and that may well be. But it could actually be for a completely different reason.

 

We often forget how many have been murdered for a whole host of strange reasons. A good deal online still don't even believe this is the guy in favor of other suspects.

 

13 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

If it took out his carotid artery, he was as imminently dead as if it had been a head shot.

No doubt in my mind Kirk died pretty instantly. Which made comments from people like Glen Beck at the time (who was trying to convince people he was just fine and stable), kinda gross and unsound.

[Boiler 47,881]

CNN initial coverage was that he had been wounded did not look like it from the photo but not until I saw that actual video, not recommended, did I have serious doubts he was alive.

[Dashinka 26,102]

7 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

From what I can piece together - looks like his mother is making attempts at scrubbing pages. Straight laced conservative family, she's very much all into being a "boy mom". He seemed educationally bright probably a lot of expectations on him. Can't say what he was involved in (I can imagine we're going to find out some activities online), but all the boys seemed to be experienced with guns and shooting. Everyone thinks Kirk's been killed by a person that hated him, and that may well be. But it could actually be for a completely different reason.

 

We often forget how many have been murdered for a whole host of strange reasons. A good deal online still don't even believe this is the guy in favor of other suspects.

 

No doubt in my mind Kirk died pretty instantly. Which made comments from people like Glen Beck at the time (who was trying to convince people he was just fine and stable), kinda gross and unsound.

Hmm, sounds like the person that shot and killed Brian Thompson.  Regardless, this guy will be a cause celeb to the Democrats/Left.  Is there a GFM set up yet?