Coronavirus latest: Intensive care units in Italy urged to STOP treating elderly

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Yesterday cases of the deadly coronavirus in Italy jumped from 196 to 827 which has had caused a shortage of hospital beds in intensive care units. As a result doctors have warned medics should shift their attention to those with better chances of surviving the coronavirus.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1254101/Coronavirus-latest-news-Italy-intensive-care-units-stop-treating-elderly-death-toll

[90DayFinancier 910]

just like the flu...

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

3 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

just like the flu...

Close, but no cigar for you.  

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

 

Gibe CV a few more months and it might catch up to the flu.  But I have my doubts.

[Ban Hammer 13,191]

[Steeleballz 7,550]

  The health system in Italy is overwhelmed. They have had too many cases in a short time to keep up. It's the scenario that they are trying hard to stop from happening here right now. 

 

  Having to triage patients this way is a nightmare scenario, but the alternative is also bad - that would be first come, first serve until at some point they have to say sorry, no ventilator's left. Anyone else who gets sick just has to stay home. They have been forced to figure out a way to treat the most people possible, because they already know that they can't treat everyone.

 

[Dashinka 24,228]

I wonder what would have happened in Europe if the EU had banned travel from China?

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

4 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

I wonder what would have happened in Europe if the EU had banned travel from China?

Might have misled people to thinking the EU was useful.

 

I, for one, am glad the EU is very consistent at being useless at best.

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[Steeleballz 7,550]

7 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

I wonder what would have happened in Europe if the EU had banned travel from China?

 

  Same as happened here with travel banned from China?

[DELETEME1234 208]

2 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

Close, but no cigar for you.  

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

 

Gibe CV a few more months and it might catch up to the flu.  But I have my doubts.

Can't have COVID deaths if you don't test for COVID 

 

[Dashinka 24,228]

2 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Same as happened here with travel banned from China?

So the US has over 12k cases just in Italy alone?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

Just now, Dashinka said:

So the US has over 12k cases just in Italy alone?

 

   You said the EU. If you meant just Italy, you should have said that.

 

   At any rate, unfortunately, we have no idea how many cases the US has. We do know the virus was probably here for close to a month before we began testing,  and at this time, we are essentially heading in the same direction as Italy.

[Dashinka 24,228]

4 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   You said the EU. If you meant just Italy, you should have said that.

 

   At any rate, unfortunately, we have no idea how many cases the US has. We do know the virus was probably here for close to a month before we began testing,  and at this time, we are essentially heading in the same direction as Italy.

Well, the EU is approaching 18% of all active cases globally (not including Switzerland, or the UK).  Certainly a much bigger outbreak than here in the US at this point, and if memory serves, the EU did not ban travelers from China.  I do agree, the travel restrictions announced last night are probably much too late.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

38 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Well, the EU is approaching 18% of all active cases globally (not including Switzerland, or the UK).  Certainly a much bigger outbreak than here in the US at this point, and if memory serves, the EU did not ban travelers from China.  I do agree, the travel restrictions announced last night are probably much too late.

 

   How many people are positive and how many have tested positive are two different things. Unfortunately, you have to actually be testing everyone to know how many positive cases you have. How many we will have in the future we can only estimate. To my first point, analysts predicted in January that Seattle was one of the places where asymptomatic spread was likely to be occurring. Our first positive cases came from asymptomatic carriers returning from China, and the decision was made that we couldn't or wouldn't test people at the time. The rest can't be undone.

 

  Regardless, without quarantining every person returning from an affected area since day one, there was no way to stop the spread forever. At best we could have delayed it, and given our response, it's hard to say we would have been better prepared even with additional time.

[Dashinka 24,228]

3 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   How many people are positive and how many have tested positive are two different things. Unfortunately, you have to actually be testing everyone to know how many positive cases you have. How many we will have in the future we can only estimate. To my first point, analysts predicted in January that Seattle was one of the places where asymptomatic spread was likely to be occurring. Our first positive cases came from asymptomatic carriers returning from China, and the decision was made that we couldn't or wouldn't test people at the time. The rest can't be undone.

 

  Regardless, without quarantining every person returning from an affected area since day one, there was no way to stop the spread forever. At best we could have delayed it, and given our response, it's hard to say we would have been better prepared even with additional time.

So you don’t agree with Dr. Fauci?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

5 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

So you don’t agree with Dr. Fauci?

 

    That is a vague question. What specific comments are you referring to?