Judge says Ken Cuccinelli unlawfully appointed to lead US immigration agency

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1 hour ago, Rosalind F said:

Maybe If they married not Trump supporters, they would not be Trump supporters themselves? 

Didn’t Hillary use that excuse?  It is kind of sexist to think that women cannot think for themselves.

[laylalex 7,301]

I dunno, because there is anecdata I myself have heard from my parents' generation and my grandparents' generation (and I suppose I could have heard it from my American great grandmothers if I had ever met them) that it was taken as a given that the wife would vote like her husband? My great aunt told me that when she voted for Kennedy she hid it from her husband and pretended she supported Nixon. My mom laid out the law very early on to my dad that she would vote however she damn well pleased. It was enough of a thing then in the mid-70s still that she thought it was important to say. I have heard similar stories from other boomers (my parents were both born in 1955) that it was kind of still an idea some people had back then, you were a household and you voted how the head of the household voted. There are of course still these kinds of dynamics in very old-school relationships, or in relationships where a partner is abusive and the abused partner is afraid of retribution. Although you are alone when you vote, when someone gets in your head, you don't know who or what you can trust anymore. That is not to say that abusive relationships are the same as old-school ones, just that the phenomenon can happen in both.

 

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1 hour ago, laylalex said:

I dunno, because there is anecdata I myself have heard from my parents' generation and my grandparents' generation (and I suppose I could have heard it from my American great grandmothers if I had ever met them) that it was taken as a given that the wife would vote like her husband? My great aunt told me that when she voted for Kennedy she hid it from her husband and pretended she supported Nixon. My mom laid out the law very early on to my dad that she would vote however she damn well pleased. It was enough of a thing then in the mid-70s still that she thought it was important to say. I have heard similar stories from other boomers (my parents were both born in 1955) that it was kind of still an idea some people had back then, you were a household and you voted how the head of the household voted. There are of course still these kinds of dynamics in very old-school relationships, or in relationships where a partner is abusive and the abused partner is afraid of retribution. Although you are alone when you vote, when someone gets in your head, you don't know who or what you can trust anymore. That is not to say that abusive relationships are the same as old-school ones, just that the phenomenon can happen in both.

 

Maybe the wife would say she voted the same as her husband back then, but unless the husband actually saw the vote, who knows.  I know my mom who had very conservative leanings as compared to my father, would vote her own mind and they were born in the ‘30s.

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5 hours ago, Rosalind F said:

I am sure your wife is perfectly capable of independent and critical thinking, but, very o

likely, the environment will eventually cause some influence on a person's views. 

You obviously haven't met many Filipinas because community opinion matters more than what a husband thinks. Which the vast majority of my wife's friends (who naturalized in the last year) were giving my wife poop because her niece is here illegally. 

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35 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

You obviously haven't net many Filipinas because community oopinion matters more than what a husband thinks. Which the vast majority of my wife's friends (who naturalized in the last year) were giving my wife poop because her niece is here illegally. 

and that . That is why most husbands of Pinay can not teach their own wife to drive. They will not listen to us 

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6 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Another obummer activist judge soon to be overruled 

BTW....my wife would vote for DT too if she could! Anyway, I was thinking maybe.... until I saw the unsolicited comment from the judge regarding immigration. Then I knew it was political and not logical. 

[MjC772 94]

2 hours ago, laylalex said:

I dunno, because there is anecdata I myself have heard from my parents' generation and my grandparents' generation (and I suppose I could have heard it from my American great grandmothers if I had ever met them) that it was taken as a given that the wife would vote like her husband? My great aunt told me that when she voted for Kennedy she hid it from her husband and pretended she supported Nixon. My mom laid out the law very early on to my dad that she would vote however she damn well pleased. It was enough of a thing then in the mid-70s still that she thought it was important to say. I have heard similar stories from other boomers (my parents were both born in 1955) that it was kind of still an idea some people had back then, you were a household and you voted how the head of the household voted. There are of course still these kinds of dynamics in very old-school relationships, or in relationships where a partner is abusive and the abused partner is afraid of retribution. Although you are alone when you vote, when someone gets in your head, you don't know who or what you can trust anymore. That is not to say that abusive relationships are the same as old-school ones, just that the phenomenon can happen in both.

 

OHHH good grief!...my wife watches whatever news channel she wants and is completely free to make her own decision. Despite watching CNN sometimes, she is truly a Trump supporter ... so let's just end this ridiculous misogyny poop right now.

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5 hours ago, Rosalind F said:

Maybe If they married not Trump supporters, they would not be Trump supporters themselves? 

I can only speak for my household, but she was a Trump supporter long before I was.  She is intelligent, and a smart businesswoman, and points out things that I sometimes miss.  And she has a memory that rivals an elephant.  She wasn't able to vote in 2916, but she darn sure will this year.  As will I be.

 

No, I had zero impact on her support of Trump.  She was in the US during the Hillary "what does it matter" years, and found her lies particularly disgusting.   

[laylalex 7,301]

59 minutes ago, MjC772 said:

OHHH good grief!...my wife watches whatever news channel she wants and is completely free to make her own decision. Despite watching CNN sometimes, she is truly a Trump supporter ... so let's just end this ridiculous misogyny poop right now.

I wasn't talking about your wife? Or misogyny? I was talking about a generation or more ago. These things still happen. This wasn't an attack on you.

 

And yes we can all disagree on who we support, or who our partners support.  My ex wasn't pleased with how I voted and even I marked my ballot as I chose, even though he got in my head in so many ways. I'm only saying that for some people it is a reality, and it certainly works in both directions. In a marriage, either spouse could be a bully regardless of sex or gender.

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7 hours ago, laylalex said:

My ex-husband is a SUPER Trump supporter, firmly on the Trump train. He even brainwashed my liberal dad! But it had zero effect on me. You should have seen his reaction when he found out the cold I claimed to have that prevented me from accompanying him to an inaugural ball was made up, and I was actually in LA going on the Women's March!

 

I can laugh about it now (thankfully) but that was one of the last straws for him. I was never going to conform to what he expected me to be like, never going to support Trump, never going to be more than polite to his fellow supporters when we went to fundraisers. (I went to these things because I was trying to be a good wife.) I'm not saying other people's partners are merely being polite, just that was my own experience. 

Oh that's too funny about the Women's March! (but also really sorry about your painful experience!!)

And yes, things we do for love... Or out of habit... Or to be polite... Yeah.

Hopefully, there's no strong political disagreement between you and Alex!

 

6 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Didn’t Hillary use that excuse?  It is kind of sexist to think that women cannot think for themselves.

I think that applies to the immigrant of any gender. If an incoming immigrant didn't have strong views before coming to the US, they would pick it up from people around, makes sense? 

 

3 hours ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

You obviously haven't met many Filipinas because community opinion matters more than what a husband thinks. Which the vast majority of my wife's friends (who naturalized in the last year) were giving my wife poop because her niece is here illegally. 

Actually demonstrates how the environment could impact views  Of course, partner probably will not be a 100% influence

 

2 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

I can only speak for my household, but she was a Trump supporter long before I was.  She is intelligent, and a smart businesswoman, and points out things that I sometimes miss.  And she has a memory that rivals an elephant.  She wasn't able to vote in 2916, but she darn sure will this year.  As will I be.

 

No, I had zero impact on her support of Trump.  She was in the US during the Hillary "what does it matter" years, and found her lies particularly disgusting.

Good for you two! I was talking rather about a situation where the immigrant didn't have strong views before coming to the US which makes my initial comment not relevant for your situation

(but hey, look at all the empowering stories about strong and independent women!!😻)

(btw, a person doesn't need to be a Trump supporter to particularly dislike Hillary) 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Rosalind F said:

 Oh that's too funny about the Women's March! (but also really sorry about your painful experience!!)

And yes, things we do for love... Or out of habit... Or to be polite... Yeah.

Hopefully, there's no strong political disagreement between you and Alex!

Yeah, I got tagged in a pic on social media and the cat was out of the bag... whoops. Al and I are pretty well aligned, a couple of things he's more liberal on than me, and vice versa. But nothing that's a dealbreaker, or out differences are small enough that they are basically splitting hairs. Operating from the same general universe helps. 

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17 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

And she has a memory that rivals an elephant. 

that translates to you never win an argument.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

9 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

that translates to you never win an argument.

That concept departed the building about a week after we met.