Impeachment is not the issue voters in Iowa care about

[90DayFinancier 910]

29 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So you equate education level with being well educated?  The two do not go hand in hand.

The data show that it's a fact for Iowa.

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33 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So you equate education level with being well educated?  The two do not go hand in hand.

I can see how someone can be well educated in certain fields of knowledge without having a high level of formal schooling, but how could people attain a high level of education without being well educated? 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,315]

1 minute ago, Boketto said:

I can see how someone can be well educated in certain fields of knowledge without having a high level of formal schooling, but how could people attain a high level of education without being well educated? 

Maybe what we are saying is , someone can have advanced degrees and still be dumb as a post 

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1 minute ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Maybe what we are saying is , someone can have advanced degrees and still be dumb as a post 

That would be a matter of raw intelligence vs formal training, not one’s education level in relation to being well-educated, which is what I was asking in my previous post.

[Dashinka 23,244]

6 minutes ago, Boketto said:

That would be a matter of raw intelligence vs formal training, not one’s education level in relation to being well-educated, which is what I was asking in my previous post.

I went to school with a lot of folks that simply went through the motions, got barely passable grades, retained nothing, and were awarded a degree.  Certainly they have a high education level, but it is questionable if they are well educated even in the field they pursued.  You can measure education level, you cannot measure how well someone is educated.

27 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

The data show that it's a fact for Iowa.

Yes, the data shows that folks have high levels of education, the data does not show how well someone is educated.

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2 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I went to school with a lot of folks that simply went through the motions, got barely passable grades, retained nothing, and were awarded a degree.  Certainly they have a high education level, but it is questionable if they are well educated even in the field they pursued.  You can measure education level, you cannot measure how well someone is educated.

But is that kind of anecdotal evidence statistically significant? 

[laylalex 7,247]

2 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I went to school with a lot of folks that simply went through the motions, got barely passable grades, retained nothing, and were awarded a degree.  Certainly they have a high education level, but it is questionable if they are well educated even in the field they pursued.  You can measure education level, you cannot measure how well someone is educated.

But surely that's just anecdata. I went to school with a lot of people who did great, got a degree (and then sometimes more degrees or qualifications) and have had meaningful, important careers in business/law/medicine/etc. That's my anecdata, and surely it's worth as much as yours. I don't mean to be rude, because you do point out that this is a subjective/objective issue, which I completely agree with. There's always going to be someone who thinks I'm well-educated, and someone who thinks I'm not educated at all. Both could be true at the same time. But generally, I think if you ask most people what being "well-educated" means, they probably mean the person who has completed their formal education. 

 

Just my two pennies.  

[Dashinka 23,244]

Just now, Boketto said:

But is that kind of anecdotal evidence statistically significant? 

So how do you measure how well someone is educated?

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Just now, Bill & Katya said:

So how do you measure how well someone is educated?

I never implied there was an objective measurement. This is logically irrelevant. 

 

You said that a high level of education does not go hand in hand with being well educated. I am not seeing how someone could attain, say, a PhD without being well educated. 

[Dashinka 23,244]

8 minutes ago, laylalex said:

But surely that's just anecdata. I went to school with a lot of people who did great, got a degree (and then sometimes more degrees or qualifications) and have had meaningful, important careers in business/law/medicine/etc. That's my anecdata, and surely it's worth as much as yours. I don't mean to be rude, because you do point out that this is a subjective/objective issue, which I completely agree with. There's always going to be someone who thinks I'm well-educated, and someone who thinks I'm not educated at all. Both could be true at the same time. But generally, I think if you ask most people what being "well-educated" means, they probably mean the person who has completed their formal education. 

 

Just my two pennies.  

Exactly my point.  Every time I see the media use the statistic of education level with respect to voting and equating it how well someone is educated it makes my skin crawl.  Sure, my experiences are anecdotal, but that just shows how subjective someone’s education is when measuring it with an objective  statistic.

Edited November 4, 2019 by Bill & Katya

[90DayFinancier 910]

5 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So how do you measure how well someone is educated?

How do you measure when someone is poorly educated? Count the poorly educated and solve for x.

[Dashinka 23,244]

Just now, Boketto said:

I never implied there was an objective measurement. This is logically irrelevant. 

 

You said that a high level of education does not go hand in hand with being well educated. I am not seeing how someone could attain, say, a PhD without being well educated. 

The OP I was responding too made that assumption.  If you don’t see it then it must not be true.  Of course it is anecdotal, but I have seen PhDs that are dumb as rocks even in their fields.  I often wonder how they made it through.  But as you say, that is not really relevant as the original statistic didn’t just use the demographic of PhDs.

Just now, 90DayFinancier said:

How do you measure when someone is poorly educated? Count the poorly educated and solve for x.

You don’t since it is a purely a subjective opinion.

[USS_Voyager 1,971]

3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Exactly my point.  Every time I see the media use the statistic of education level with respect to voting and equating it how well someone is educated it makes my skin crawl.  Sure, my experiences are anecdotal, but that just shows how subjective someone’s education is when measuring it with a subjective statistic.

I still disagree, to me: having a high level of education equals to "Well-educated" but none of those speaks to how smart/intelligent you are as a person. 

 

Anyway, this has been an interesting discussion. I gotta get back to my "unwell educated" job. Thanks 

[Dashinka 23,244]

5 minutes ago, USS_Voyager said:

I still disagree, to me: having a high level of education equals to "Well-educated" but none of those speaks to how smart/intelligent you are as a person. 

 

Anyway, this has been an interesting discussion. I gotta get back to my "unwell educated" job. Thanks 

I did not comment on you personally, so if that is what you thought, apologies.  As I said earlier, using an objective statistic and applying it to a subjective evaluation is simply wrong.

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17 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

The OP I was responding too made that assumption.  If you don’t see it then it must not be true.  Of course it is anecdotal, but I have seen PhDs that are dumb as rocks even in their fields.  I often wonder how they made it through.  But as you say, that is not really relevant as the original statistic didn’t just use the demographic of PhDs.

You don’t since it is a purely a subjective opinion.

I wasn’t responding to the OP and I am not interested in defending their assertion or data. 

 

While I see how someone can be well educated without going through formal education, it is highly unlikely that someone can attain advanced academic qualifications without being well educated relative to the general population. Therefore being well educated and having a high level of education can indeed go hand in hand. 

 

 

Edited November 4, 2019 by Boketto
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