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[spookyturtle 9,465]

1 hour ago, ALFKAD said:

Absolutely NOTHING. 

Well, AR does stand for assault rifle. Everyone knows that. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

20 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

Well, AR does stand for assault rifle. Everyone knows that. 

Laugh!

 

Was in Boston today.  Nice temps you're enjoying up there.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

12 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

Laugh!

 

Was in Boston today.  Nice temps you're enjoying up there.

It was cool and cloudy early this morning, then it warmed up and was sunny this afternoon. I love fall in New England, I don’t like what comes after it. 

[yuna628 9,528]

10 hours ago, spookyturtle said:

Alcohol causes more deaths than guns. Ban alcohol. 

I wouldn't mind a ban, but I'm weird, and that's just my view on the habit of alcoholism and what it does to a person and the person's family. If you've been through it.. then you know. The reality is though, one cannot regulate bad decisions, we can only promote responsible behavior, and giving consequences for injury and death - such as drinking and driving (though in my state I wish we'd actually be really harsh on this because too many drunk nutjobs have been able to kill or injure people and still manage to keep driving). Prohibition of things generally just doesn't work. It's the nature of human behavior. We have weird liquor laws for unusual 'protectionist' reasons, so it cannot be obtained from a walmart or grocer here. It can't even really be bought or shipped online either. One usually has to go to a liquor store for purchase, the outside of which usually is so scary as to deter you from going inside. It wasn't too long ago we also had dry laws in this county as well.

 

I do not enjoy beer. It's the smell actually, and if you've been around alcoholics you come to smell it and the vomit it produces a lot.. therefore I cannot stand the taste either. Closest think I've drank is a session fruit beer, still found it kind of unpleasant. Cider though is lovely, and thoroughly enjoy all sorts of those as well as fine local wines (which we are quite proud of in this state). My husband likes his ales.. they taste just as bad as beer to me.

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

After I went and picked up my nephew for the weekend, we were out working in the yard all day today. I have been mowing the pasture and two small lots totaling about 2+ acres. My wife and then kids were cleaning up the dog pen and the garden making it ours. I also taught the wife how to use the riding mower today as well. 

 

After all this I needed a couple beers and all I had was one Harp beer. So luckily the wife needed to get out and away so she is getting me some stella 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

23 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

. The reality is though, one cannot regulate bad decisions, we can only promote responsible behavior, and giving consequences for injury and death

Take what you just said about alcohol, and apply it to gun homicides.  You summed up the situation succinctly. 

[yuna628 9,528]

40 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

Take what you just said about alcohol, and apply it to gun homicides.  You summed up the situation succinctly. 

Correct, that is the libertarian in me of course.  Nevertheless how do we stop people intent on killing us, from doing so easily? Fair enough if they want to harm themselves. I'm not talking about responsible gun ownership or even responsible drinking. I would simply like gun owners to be competent, not have a criminal record, and not be insane. The reason why these individuals are buying these types of guns to kill us, aren't because they are enthusiasts or expert marksmen - they are buying them because it seems it does not require much skill to use and do as much damage as possible, and some think they'll look oh so cool while doing it. They likely know they won't be caught on most background checks too. It requires little effort, skill, or thought - far removing their psychological state from the gruesome crime. I also grow concerned that there seems to be a sort of culture promoted to young men that guns are items to make you all manly and cool - a version of themselves that is not so grounded in reality. In videogames I'm very efficient with a gun, but have no desire to ever use one. Perhaps in the old days young men were obviously raised differently to have a healthy respect for the use of a weapon and healthy respect for others..  not so much anymore. Likely will grow worse over time.

 

I have often talked about my neighbors and their drinking and firearm habits. That is a dangerous combo in the same way drinking and driving is.

Edited September 8, 2019 by yuna628

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

19 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Correct, that is the libertarian in me of course.  Nevertheless how do we stop people intent on killing us, from doing so easily? Fair enough if they want to harm themselves. I'm not talking about responsible gun ownership or even responsible drinking. I would simply like gun owners to be competent, not have a criminal record, and not be insane. The reason why these individuals are buying these types of guns to kill us, aren't because they are enthusiasts or expert marksmen - they are buying them because it seems it does not require much skill to use and do as much damage as possible, and some think they'll look oh so cool while doing it. They likely know they won't be caught on most background checks too. It requires little effort, skill, or thought - far removing their psychological state from the gruesome crime. I also grow concerned that there seems to be a sort of culture promoted to young men that guns are items to make you all manly and cool - a version of themselves that is not so grounded in reality. In videogames I'm very efficient with a gun, but have no desire to ever use one. Perhaps in the old days young men were obviously raised differently to have a healthy respect for the use of a weapon and healthy respect for others..  not so much anymore. Likely will grow worse over time.

 

I have often talked about my neighbors and their drinking and firearm habits. That is a dangerous combo in the same way drinking and driving is.

Sadly, I think the answer is... we don't.  You're sharp enough to know what the weapon of choice is in the UK, where guns are pretty difficult to come by.  People who have no respect for the lives of others simply will not be stopped for the most part, until they do something egregious and are caught instead of being terminated.  Then, when they enter the justice system, they may be prevented from future killings.  So either they are imprisoned or put to death, but their damage is already done.

 

It's not terribly difficult for a "good" person to obtain a gun.  And it's not hard at all for a "bad" person to appear good long enough to get a gun.  Also, bear in mind that in quite a few cases lately, the perp didn't buy the gun.  It was either in the family already, easily obtainable, or it was stolen.

 

I've said it all along, if a person had murder in their heart, then murder they shall commit.  It sucks that most are cowards and opt for the fastest and most deadly way to kill, and I know that non-gun people won't see it this way, but the more people that are carrying for protection,  the faster these nutjobs will be put down.

 

This nation was born of guns and hard work.  That's how the "west was won" so to speak.  But even though guns have been a primary part of life in America for over 400 years, mass murders have really become an issue in the past 20 years (though they actually happened as far back as 1922, and even earlier, if you count what Americans did to the Indians).

 

I don't think we will win this, any more than we have won the war on drugs or alcoholism.  We can hope, but hope has never solved too many crises.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, ALFKAD said:

Sadly, I think the answer is... we don't.  You're sharp enough to know what the weapon of choice is in the UK, where guns are pretty difficult to come by.  People who have no respect for the lives of others simply will not be stopped for the most part, until they do something egregious and are caught instead of being terminated.  Then, when they enter the justice system, they may be prevented from future killings.  So either they are imprisoned or put to death, but their damage is already done.

 

It's not terribly difficult for a "good" person to obtain a gun.  And it's not hard at all for a "bad" person to appear good long enough to get a gun.  Also, bear in mind that in quite a few cases lately, the perp didn't buy the gun.  It was either in the family already, easily obtainable, or it was stolen.

 

I've said it all along, if a person had murder in their heart, then murder they shall commit.  It sucks that most are cowards and opt for the fastest and most deadly way to kill, and I know that non-gun people won't see it this way, but the more people that are carrying for protection,  the faster these nutjobs will be put down.

 

This nation was born of guns and hard work.  That's how the "west was won" so to speak.  But even though guns have been a primary part of life in America for over 400 years, mass murders have really become an issue in the past 20 years (though they actually happened as far back as 1922, and even earlier, if you count what Americans did to the Indians).

 

I don't think we will win this, any more than we have won the war on drugs or alcoholism.  We can hope, but hope has never solved too many crises.

 

   Part of the reason I would like to see stiffer penalties for irresponsible people. Both for illegal acts related to alcohol and firearms, the punishment is not always enough of a deterrent. If it was, people wouldn't drive after drinking. They wouldn't leave loaded guns lying around in a house with toddlers around.  

[yuna628 9,528]

1 hour ago, ALFKAD said:

Sadly, I think the answer is... we don't.  You're sharp enough to know what the weapon of choice is in the UK, where guns are pretty difficult to come by.  People who have no respect for the lives of others simply will not be stopped for the most part, until they do something egregious and are caught instead of being terminated.  Then, when they enter the justice system, they may be prevented from future killings.  So either they are imprisoned or put to death, but their damage is already done.

 

It's not terribly difficult for a "good" person to obtain a gun.  And it's not hard at all for a "bad" person to appear good long enough to get a gun.  Also, bear in mind that in quite a few cases lately, the perp didn't buy the gun.  It was either in the family already, easily obtainable, or it was stolen.

 

I've said it all along, if a person had murder in their heart, then murder they shall commit.  It sucks that most are cowards and opt for the fastest and most deadly way to kill, and I know that non-gun people won't see it this way, but the more people that are carrying for protection,  the faster these nutjobs will be put down.

 

This nation was born of guns and hard work.  That's how the "west was won" so to speak.  But even though guns have been a primary part of life in America for over 400 years, mass murders have really become an issue in the past 20 years (though they actually happened as far back as 1922, and even earlier, if you count what Americans did to the Indians).

 

I don't think we will win this, any more than we have won the war on drugs or alcoholism.  We can hope, but hope has never solved too many crises.

I don't want us to be a country that shrugs it's shoulders and says ''oh well.. nothing we can do... kids and crazies will just keep killing us'' you know? And sure, knife crime is common in the UK, but from a survivability standpoint its.. sadly the safer option statistically. And while it doesn't stop someone with murderous intent, it is unlikely the kid in the walmart could have done that kind of damage with a knife. Maybe he would have found some other 'useful' way, but maybe he wouldn't have. And while there are cases of useful self defense, even in the walmart situation, armed individuals were unable to protect anyone, stop the shooter, and in one man's case was targeted by police in the confusion. To me I see a gun as a tool that has no other designed purpose but to kill a target or to defend under threat of killing a target. There is no longer a respect towards these weapons as our ancestors once had.

 

We had a couple of local cases recently of nutjobs threatening workplace violence like this one. How does a person like this obtain 140+ guns in their home? How does their father, and how does the father think his son is stable enough to be around them? https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/09/05/mark-edward-rutkowsk-arrested-red-flag-law-gun-violence-threat-maryland/

 

 

2 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Part of the reason I would like to see stiffer penalties for irresponsible people. Both for illegal acts related to alcohol and firearms, the punishment is not always enough of a deterrent. If it was, people wouldn't drive after drinking. They wouldn't leave loaded guns lying around in a house with toddlers around.  

We had the death penalty. There's no higher punishment than that.. did not stop a soul. I would agree though, we need stiffer penalties.

[TBoneTX 43,058]

As to beer:

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/man-charged-68000-for-one-beer/

 

[Dashinka 23,245]

Ok, it is a nice Citra Pale Ale to start with today.  This one is from Oddside Brewery.  It is very good.