My CR1 visa Refused at US embassy Islamabad

[Boiler 48,023]

Always good to remember Immigration is a two way street and they may not want to wait 4 years, I doubt most people would.

[Gorkhali 214]

First of folks here are judgemental and it's because they don't sugarcoat anything. And I respect folks here a lot coz they are always spot on. I am married who is 10 years older than me and it took us 3 years to get through 'coz they denied our visa in the 1st instance. We were heartbroken and in tears for months. 

 

Anyway from VO view  :

• Would you marry women with such an age gap, if she was Pakistani?
• As you are young and In case of Pakistan's culture, every family wants biological kids. And this is not going to happen in your case (from my experience).
•  Why didn't your wife visit your family? Having traditional marriage is important in Pakistan.
• Have you ever applied for US visa (immigrant or non - immigrant)? Do you have your siblings in US who got a visa through marriage?  

There are tons of things that come into play. All you have to do is prove your relationship. It's your responsibility to prove your marriage is genuine. You, my friend, have a long rough road ahead of you. Best bet would be to get a lawyer to handle the case and your wife moves to Pakistan and live with you and your family for a substantial time before your second interview. Get congressman involved so your paperwork doesn't gather dust. 

 

Yes in few months your wife will get a snail mail from USCIS with NOIR / NOID and they will mention the reason for denial. They will never mention the age difference because they legally can't. 

 

If you really married your wife for love (which we hope) then you will go any length and breadth to love her, keep her happy and spend your life with her. This is what VO is looking for before granting the Visa. 

 

Best wishes to you and your wife. 

[Gorkhali 214]

22 minutes ago, Gorkhali said:

First of folks here are judgemental and it's because they don't sugarcoat anything. And I respect folks here a lot coz they are always spot on. I am married who is 10 years older than me and it took us 3 years to get through 'coz they denied our visa in the 1st instance. We were heartbroken and in tears for months. 

 

Anyway from VO view  :

• Would you marry women with such an age gap, if she was Pakistani?
• As you are young and In case of Pakistan's culture, every family wants biological kids. And this is not going to happen in your case (from my experience).
•  Why didn't your wife visit your family? Having traditional marriage is important in Pakistan.
• Have you ever applied for US visa (immigrant or non - immigrant)? Do you have your siblings in US who got a visa through marriage?  

There are tons of things that come into play. All you have to do is prove your relationship. It's your responsibility to prove your marriage is genuine. You, my friend, have a long rough road ahead of you. Best bet would be to get a lawyer to handle the case and your wife moves to Pakistan and live with you and your family for a substantial time before your second interview. Get congressman involved so your paperwork doesn't gather dust. 

 

Yes in few months your wife will get a snail mail from USCIS with NOIR / NOID and they will mention the reason for denial. They will never mention the age difference because they legally can't. 

 

If you really married your wife for love (which we hope) then you will go any length and breadth to love her, keep her happy and spend your life with her. This is what VO is looking for before granting the Visa. 

 

Best wishes to you and your wife. 

forgot to mention, having a lawyer is a very expensive affair. They will charge you for every single thing. They will charge you for reading your email and replying it.  I and my wife we had a lawyer (know that we both are a reader and we knew more than lawyer about our process) and it was a very expensive affair. Once our visa was refused, to afford lawyer, our travel, visa process, paperwork; My wife worked two jobs and I worked more than 18 hours every day and 7 days a week (know that I am in tech and I made decent money working normal hours); cut all outing, visiting friends, eating out to save every single penny.  Our friends chimed on with some donation of funds. 

 

Thinking my wife cleaned the bathroom in the yoga studio to save money for a lawyer, makes my eyes swell. And I love her from the moon to back, seeing her happy and being chatty Kathy with her friends at home on this fine Sunday afternoon makes me feel super happy. 

 

Visa process is not for weak heart. It is expensive, stressful and takes a long time.  As Rumi says  "you gamble everything for love".

 

 

Edited January 7, 2018 by Gorkhali

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11 hours ago, leoline said:

I had my interview on 13 Dec 2017 at US embassy Islamabad. Interview was not good and after interview finished i asked from CO that what should i expect about my visa and she said our Senior office will review your case and he will make a final decision. They didn't give me any paper like 212g or 221g  and also they kept my all original documents and passport. After next day of interview i checked status online and it was showing AP.

 

On 3rd Jan 2018 status changed shows Refused. I didn't receive my documents and passport yet

 

what is that mean by refused and what should i do? how can i know the reason of refusal ?

Any Expert help me please........

 

 

 

Some good advice here and some not so good.

1. Your status shows REFUSED and not RETURNED (yet).

2. You need to wait until you know if it has been returned. You are undergoing AP right now while the senior officer makes a final decision.
That decision we don't know at this time. Nothing to appeal, no lawyer needed. 

3. This is the return process:
IF the petition gets returned THEN you will receive a NOID letter from USCIS telling you the reason(s) for return.
You will have 30 days to answer the letter and overcome the reason(s) with quality relationship evidence as rebuttal for the findings.
4. The return process can take 9-18 months total, depending on embassy.
5. If USCIS is satisfied with your submitted NOID response then they will reaffirm it and send it back to the embassy for a second interview.

You can try to email and ask the embassy to inform you of the reason WHEN AND IF YOU KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN RETURNED.
You likely won't get an answer but can request the reason through a senator and gather specific evidence until you receive the NOID
letter or you can wait for it and read the reason(s) then.

No lawyer needed, nothing to appeal currently. Update here or in a new thread if you find out if it was returned.

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12 hours ago, Caterpillar8 said:

Is it the norm to get married after spending 10 days together?

Why not?  

My partner moved in with me 4 days after we met. We had a marriage-like relationship in terms of sharing a home and entwining our lives.   We're really just making it official with a ring & ceremony (well when the visa is approved)

[Caterpillar8 62]

3 minutes ago, dentsflogged said:

Why not?  

My partner moved in with me 4 days after we met. We had a marriage-like relationship in terms of sharing a home and entwining our lives.   We're really just making it official with a ring & ceremony (well when the visa is approved)

 

Although that is definitely better than this thread's story, I believe it's quite hard to tell if a relationship is serious enough after 4 days. But honestly, I was talking about marriage rather than fiancè. Some people get married after days without even knowing if the commitment and the relationship will work.

[dentsflogged 352]

Just now, Caterpillar8 said:

Although that is definitely better than this thread's story, I believe it's quite hard to tell if a relationship is serious enough after 4 days. But honestly, I was talking about marriage rather than fiancè. Some people get married after days without even knowing if the commitment and the relationship will work.

That's very true.  

I guess it depends on the individuals and relationship and every situation is unique.   I know couples who married within weeks of meeting who are happy and love life and couples who got married after being together for 10 years and broke up horrifically within months of saying "I do"

[Caterpillar8 62]

9 minutes ago, dentsflogged said:

That's very true.  

I guess it depends on the individuals and relationship and every situation is unique.   I know couples who married within weeks of meeting who are happy and love life and couples who got married after being together for 10 years and broke up horrifically within months of saying "I do"

 

 

 

For instance, I noticed the vast majority of couples on this forum do not live together, such as the petitioner in the US and the beneficiary in their home country. But then when I read their stories I understand that some (of course not all of them!) met once or twice and decide to get married, which is fine for me but sounds weird to get married after being together hours and not even knowing how it feels like living under the same roof how they would do it in the US when visa approved, or love, or commitment. Also, I've read many stories whose petitioner is astonished to know their spouse is aggressive, weird, etc...(I guess here for legit marriages). But hey this is just my opinion about it. 

Edited January 8, 2018 by Caterpillar8

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1 minute ago, Caterpillar8 said:

For instance, I noticed the vast majority of couples on this forum do not live together, such as the petitioner in the US and the beneficiary in their home country. But then when I read their stories I understand that some (of course not all of them!) met once or twice and decide to get married, which is fine for me but sounds weird to get married after being together hours and not even knowing how it feels like living under the same roof how they would do it in the US when visa approved, or love, or commitment. Also, I've read many stories whose petitioner is astonished to know their spouse is aggressive, weird, etc...(I guess here for legit marriages). But hey this is just my opinion about it. 

I think your opinion and mine are pretty much dead on.

My partner and I met through a mutual friend one night.  We spent 2 nights together a few days after that, and because he was paying for accomodation (he was travelling in my country) and I off-handedly joked that he should just bring his stuff and stay with me since he clearly wasn't going to be using that room.  Anyhow long story short, we lived together for 3 months here, then he went home.  I spent a month with him mid-year and 2 months just now - so we know that we gel pretty well living together - who does what chores (mostly me) who prefers driving (mostly him, thankfully), who's more organised when it comes to money/bill paying (very much him) and so on.   I can't imagine saddling myself legally, socially and emotionally to someone who I couldn't fit together with like this.

But that's me.  As long as people are happy in their relationships, I say they should do whatever they want to do in those relationships  

[Lazybones18 261]

2 minutes ago, dentsflogged said:

I think your opinion and mine are pretty much dead on.

My partner and I met through a mutual friend one night.  We spent 2 nights together a few days after that, and because he was paying for accomodation (he was travelling in my country) and I off-handedly joked that he should just bring his stuff and stay with me since he clearly wasn't going to be using that room.  Anyhow long story short, we lived together for 3 months here, then he went home.  I spent a month with him mid-year and 2 months just now - so we know that we gel pretty well living together - who does what chores (mostly me) who prefers driving (mostly him, thankfully), who's more organised when it comes to money/bill paying (very much him) and so on.   I can't imagine saddling myself legally, socially and emotionally to someone who I couldn't fit together with like this.

But that's me.  As long as people are happy in their relationships, I say they should do whatever they want to do in those relationships  

 

8 minutes ago, Caterpillar8 said:

For instance, I noticed the vast majority of couples on this forum do not live together, such as the petitioner in the US and the beneficiary in their home country. But then when I read their stories I understand that some (of course not all of them!) met once or twice and decide to get married, which is fine for me but sounds weird to get married after being together hours and not even knowing how it feels like living under the same roof how they would do it in the US when visa approved, or love, or commitment. Also, I've read many stories whose petitioner is astonished to know their spouse is aggressive, weird, etc...(I guess here for legit marriages). But hey this is just my opinion about it. 

 

if you are a muslim you are not allowed to go on a date alone with a guy .. let alone live with someone .. ofcourse depends how conservative muslim you are

 

It might be weird for you guys but totally normal in some parts of the world 

 

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1 minute ago, Lazybones18 said:

 

 

if you are a muslim you are not allowed to go on a date alone with a guy .. let alone live with someone .. ofcourse depends how conservative muslim you are

 

It might be weird for you guys but totally normal in some parts of the world 

 

Absolutely.  Which is what I said in my post  - as long as people are happy, they should do what they want in relationships

[NikLR 13,234]

There certainly are a lot of red flags in your case. Wait for the NOIR. 

[leoline 0]

On 1/8/2018 at 1:56 PM, NikLR said:

There certainly are a lot of red flags in your case. Wait for the NOIR. 

how long  i will receive NOIR?

[leoline 0]

My status changed on 3rd jan 2018 but i haven't receive my original documents yet 

[NikLR 13,234]

6 hours ago, leoline said:

how long  i will receive NOIR?

Noir happens after the case goes back to the uscis. Gonna be a bit.