CA Chief Justice Demands ICE Stop Busting Illegals at Courthouses. Where LAWS Are Enforced…

[TBoneTX 47,502]

3 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Just pick them up at immigration protests 

In a radio interview last year, an actual illegal said that very few illegals attend those protests... because most of them are too busy working.

[Dashinka 25,853]

5 hours ago, spookyturtle said:

But you can give nuclear launch codes to a lunatic? Wow, what a country! 

Were you talking about Joe Biden?  Didn't he out the guy carrying the football at a campaign rally?

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

12 hours ago, eieio said:

There is never a bad time or place to catch an illegal and deport them.( with compassion of course)

If it otherwise interferes with the administration of justice for all, then yes, there is a bad time and place. While the arrest and processing of undocumented persons is in the interests of justice, this must be balanced against the arguably greater need for court cases to proceed as efficiently as possible. On the one hand, if a person is subject to a deportation order, how much does the arrest of one person affect justice for us all? Does this one act help the wheels of justice turn more smoothly? On the other hand, if a person fears (even if that fear is not substantiated) deportation by showing up to testify in criminal proceedings, or for a settlement conference in a civil matter (to name but a couple of examples), how much will his or her absence affect the administration of justice for us all? There's a reason why the image of scales is a visual metonym for law -- it's always a balancing act. 

 

[CaliCat 3,957]

54 minutes ago, elmcitymaven said:

If it otherwise interferes with the administration of justice for all, then yes, there is a bad time and place. While the arrest and processing of undocumented persons is in the interests of justice, this must be balanced against the arguably greater need for court cases to proceed as efficiently as possible. On the one hand, if a person is subject to a deportation order, how much does the arrest of one person affect justice for us all? Does this one act help the wheels of justice turn more smoothly? On the other hand, if a person fears (even if that fear is not substantiated) deportation by showing up to testify in criminal proceedings, or for a settlement conference in a civil matter (to name but a couple of examples), how much will his or her absence affect the administration of justice for us all? There's a reason why the image of scales is a visual metonym for law -- it's always a balancing act. 

 

 

 

Also, the demand was made by the Chief Justice of the state, and the presumption should be that someone in her position would know what she's talking about. But speaking of these non-issues really take the focus away from the mess the administration is in. The so-called president himself said that the judiciary is responsible in case something goes wrong. It's not about abiding by the law, or even observing the constitution. The purpose is always to pass the blame and responsibility onto someone else, when the administration is unwilling to act within the law.

Edited March 21, 2017 by CaliCat

[eieio 1,594]

2 hours ago, elmcitymaven said:

If it otherwise interferes with the administration of justice for all, then yes, there is a bad time and place. While the arrest and processing of undocumented persons is in the interests of justice, this must be balanced against the arguably greater need for court cases to proceed as efficiently as possible. On the one hand, if a person is subject to a deportation order, how much does the arrest of one person affect justice for us all? Does this one act help the wheels of justice turn more smoothly? On the other hand, if a person fears (even if that fear is not substantiated) deportation by showing up to testify in criminal proceedings, or for a settlement conference in a civil matter (to name but a couple of examples), how much will his or her absence affect the administration of justice for us all? There's a reason why the image of scales is a visual metonym for law -- it's always a balancing act. 

 

i was talking about illegals.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

2 hours ago, eieio said:

i was talking about illegals.

Illegal what? That's an adjective, not a noun.

 

If you are referring to the arrest and processing of unauthorized aliens, also known as "illegal aliens," what I spoke of relates to these people. Nearly everyone in the US, regardless of immigration status, is entitled to due process. Stationing ICE near courthouses stymies due process, as I have laid out repeatedly above. But far be it from me to say that the state's chief justice knows better than you on this matter.

[Ban Hammer 14,271]

apparently the new safe zone for illegals is a courthouse  

[Boiler 47,464]

Sanctuary Courts?

 

Concept seems odd.

 

So if say someone went to Court for a Speeding Ticket but there was a warrant on them for say murder they can not be touched?

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

16 minutes ago, Boiler said:

So if say someone went to Court for a Speeding Ticket but there was a warrant on them for say murder they can not be touched?

Incorrect. I would hazard that you know it is incorrect as well.

[Boiler 47,464]

5 minutes ago, elmcitymaven said:

Incorrect. I would hazard that you know it is incorrect as well.

At the moment it is, but moving forward into the new world of sanctuary courts..

[spookyturtle 9,466]

15 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Were you talking about Joe Biden?  Didn't he out the guy carrying the football at a campaign rally?

Biden might not be the sharpest tack in the package, but he's no lunatic.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

1 hour ago, Ban Hammer said:

apparently the new safe zone for illegals is a courthouse  

Things are going downhill fast since Trump got in. Hopefully once he is impeached Pence will straighten things out. 

[CaliCat 3,957]

1 hour ago, spookyturtle said:

Things are going downhill fast since Trump got in. Hopefully once he is impeached Pence will straighten things out. 

 

 

And what a winner that one is too. LOL

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

2 hours ago, spookyturtle said:

Things are going downhill fast since Trump got in. Hopefully once he is impeached Pence will straighten things out. 

Like what ?

[CaliCat 3,957]

18 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Like what ?

 

Like almost everything from the moment he was inaugurated. Each day he shows us how unfit he is for the job.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/03/21/trumps-lies-are-failing-him-and-it-is-making-him-deeply-frustrated/?utm_term=.ce52495b4854

 

Trump’s lies are failing him, and it is making him deeply frustrated

The events of this week are revealing with a new level of clarity that President Trump and the White House have ventured far beyond unconventional levels of dishonesty. Instead, they are revealing on their part something more remarkable and challenging to our system: a kind of deep rot of bad faith — a profound contempt for democratic process and the possibility of agreement on shared reality — that is wildly beyond anything in recent memory and strains the limits of our political vocabulary.

 

You can also Google "Trump Lies" and you will find several entries from which to choose on the subject. Maybe you're not getting news from the US where you are, but if you tune into any of the US news outlets and websites you can find all the news you can read. 

Edited March 22, 2017 by CaliCat